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Old August 26, 2013, 07:12 PM   #76
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Outside of Winchester, there's no SN listing for the later AE models, mostly because there's little collector interest in them, unless they're the first/last of whatever change.

The CBS (crossbolt safety) was instituted in 1992 at approx SN 6,000,000, and discontinued in favor of the tang safety around SN 6,450,000 in 2003.

Ergo, my WAG is that your .44 Trapper dates from about 1998.



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Old September 10, 2013, 07:40 AM   #77
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Good Morning

To start off with thanks for maintaining such a good site. I come here often for odd bits of information but this time I have a tricky one.

I just got a Mod 94 in chambered for 32 Spl

SN 172220

I'm just looking for a date. Of course the online resources date this gun too early I'm thinking 1902 but I'd like to have something to convince the customer to get a Cody certificate

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Old September 10, 2013, 07:19 PM   #78
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The Winchester Polishing Room Records sugget the 172xxx SN range was processed in 1903; but a SN search indicates 172220 was made in 1899.

It's entirely possible that the receiver was made in 1899, but for some reason not assembled/finished until 1903.


IMO, age alone isn't sufficient reason for obtain a Cody letter - but if the gun has one or more Special Features, then a letter would be indicated, to find out in what config it left the factory. (IOW, to find out if the special features were added later by someone besides Winchester)



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Old September 10, 2013, 09:58 PM   #79
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Your right that age alone doesn't require a Cody letter. More so in that it is a generic carbine.

But for several reasons it would be good to establish some provenance for this rifle. I believe there is enough verbal history to establish that this gun has been in Canada with the same family since new. So given that the 32 special represented a relatively small percentage during that first year and given that the number of 94's sold in Canada at the turn of the century was infinitely smaller.

What I'm getting at is this could be one of the oldest if not the oldest 32 special sold in canada. Which would certainly give the family something to cherish as they take their great grandfathers rifle deer hunting every year.
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Old September 11, 2013, 08:16 AM   #80
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FWIW, the first .32 Special Model 1894 Carbine ((by SN) was #22967, sent to the warehouse on August 27, 1902 & shipped August 29, 1902.

(The .32 Special was introduced in 1901)



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Old November 3, 2013, 09:23 PM   #81
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my model 94

#1053137 would love any info... i think it is a 27' or 28' also anyway to find the value... anything to know if it is a long or short rifle version...it's pretty average quality for a gun sitting in the attic for 40 years and was used before then... seems like it would fire fine, 25-35 w.c.f. if I wanted to. Also any good place to sell down in Austin, TX area. Would like to sell to get a gun I can get ammo for easily. thanks!
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Old November 4, 2013, 07:30 AM   #82
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1928; not enough info and/or pics to determine the model or assess a value.


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Old December 6, 2013, 10:04 PM   #83
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late model 94?

# 6059223
I can't find anything on this. I think its a late'90s or early '00. Also it has a gold trigger. Is that of any importance? Thank You in advance.
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Old December 7, 2013, 02:00 AM   #84
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Just to brag, I just picked up a Model 1894 rifle, 26" round barrel, 30 WCF, serial number 175XX. Yep, 1895 production, mostly un-tampered with, pretty clean. This one goes into the safe, with the 1908 vintage 1894 rifle I am going to restore.
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Old December 7, 2013, 02:30 PM   #85
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# 6059223
I can't find anything on this. I think its a late'90s or early '00. Also it has a gold trigger. Is that of any importance? Thank You in advance.
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Outside of Winchester, there's no SN listing for the later AE models, mostly because there's little collector interest in them, unless they're the first/last of whatever change.

The CBS (crossbolt safety) was instituted in 1992 at approx SN 6,000,000, and discontinued in favor of the tang safety around SN 6,450,000 in 2003.
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Old December 15, 2013, 02:05 PM   #86
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carbine?

How can I tell whether or not I have a model 94 carbine?
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Old December 15, 2013, 06:45 PM   #87
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Welcome to TFL, Deke !

Excepting "Special Orders", M94 Standard Carbines were issued with 20" bbls & forend wood held in place with a barrel band.




Besides different sights, "Rifle" models usually have longer barrels and will always have a forend cap secured by one screw on each side.






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Old December 16, 2013, 07:50 AM   #88
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Thank you

Thats great information Petah, does this apply to post 64 94s as well? I am looking to replace the sights with something more visible, my eyesight isn't what it used to be. It appears the front sight on my post 64 is not dovetail. Most of the aftermarket sights I am seeing say does not fit carbines. This is what leads me to believe it is a carbine since the front sight appears to be a challenge to get off.
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Old December 16, 2013, 10:18 AM   #89
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I've never seen a post-64 M94 Standard Carbine with a front sight blade that wasn't in a dovetail - all are AFAIK mounted in either a sight ramp dovetail, or directly in a barrel dovetail.

OTOH, many Model 92's, like gennie Winchester Model 1892's & the recent Browning/Miroku's, are pinned to a square post that's soldered to the bbl.


I'd recommend a fiber-optic front sight like the Williams FireSight as solution to your sighting issue.

The rear bbl iron/open sight can also benefit from a replacment FO sight which typically has a FO dot on each side of the sighting notch; or remove it entirely & install a receiver peep sight.



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Old December 16, 2013, 11:13 AM   #90
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Thanks Petah, Maybe I should put my glasses on and look closer. I was looking for FO for both front and rear. I like the looks of that peep however. I may go that route.
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Old December 20, 2013, 07:16 PM   #91
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M 94 Sights

Petah I have attached some pictures of my M94. I hope you can make it out but the front sight does not appear to be a dovetail. The rear sight also looks different than other M94s I have seen on line. Any idea how to mount a sight to this.
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Old December 20, 2013, 07:26 PM   #92
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This is a better picture
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Old February 2, 2014, 06:01 PM   #93
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Resurect or bury and forget?

Hello everyone,
I'm hoping to have a few questions answered about a Model 94 which recently came into my shop.As the title says,I'm wondering if this rifle is worth restoring.
I think it's a 1906,but not sure.The serial number is 352331.It has an octogonal barrel and is of .32 W.S. caliber.The action could use some TLC and a reblueing,but the barrel would need to be replaced in order to be in fireing condition.The stock and foregrip could also use some TLC.
Thanks in advance for any help,
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Old February 2, 2014, 10:23 PM   #94
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DEKE - Your pic of the front sight is too out of focus for me to see clearly & answer your question. Your 2nd pic is focused perfectly, but it doesn't show the front sight under discussion.

Ron - Welcome to the forum! Even though it was made in 1906, it sounds like you have a shooter-grade Model 94 there, which wouldn't change much, no matter what you do to it, so restore it or not, & enjoy it.

It'll definitely be worth more, than if it got reblued. (pics might help)

I'm a little curious, though, as to why it needs a barrel, in order to be fired.




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Old February 3, 2014, 03:38 PM   #95
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I'll try to get pics up ASAP.The reason it needs to be rebarreled is that the fist 4 inches of the bore are completely ruined.It looks as though this rifle would have been muzzle down in a couple inches of water for quite a while.
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Old February 3, 2014, 06:02 PM   #96
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FWIW, the muzzle can be counterbored with a 3/8" drillbit, then the new/interior mozzle crowned - all to preserve the original bb's length & sights.


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Old June 9, 2014, 11:19 AM   #97
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trapper

Hi all this my first post I have been reading all the great info but I am still at a loss. I am a trapper collector and I jst picked up my last need for my collection its 45lc the trapper is 94 AE w saddle ring.all looks right, but. The serial number I cant find it in any of the archives. there is no safety, and the serial number is on the side of the lever. I am stumped! Can someone help me out?
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Old July 4, 2014, 01:24 PM   #98
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I inherited a lever action Winchester 94 in 30-30, octagonal 26" barrel, with serial number WC60842 (I've triple-checked this number on the rifle). I've looked at Winchester's lists of serial numbers and can't seem to find this one. Does anyone know year of manufacture? I'm completely stumped. Thanks very much.
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Old July 4, 2014, 08:45 PM   #99
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My 2 cents' worth: restore it, or sell it to someone who wants to. I buy junked 1894s and restore them. After they are done, they look as close as you can get to a factory new rifle. You will wind up with $2000 in restoration costs, and have a rifle worth about $2000. That is, if it is restored by someone who knows what they are doing. If you are going to hand it over to someone who says they can refinish it and it will look "just like new", be very very skeptical.
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Old September 11, 2014, 09:33 AM   #100
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Serial Number on the butt stock?

Hello:
I have a Winchester Model 1894, 32WS in serial number range 408xxx, my investigating tells me it was manufactured in 1907 some say 1908~~.
It has been in pieces for 25 years. I put it together and all the mechanical parts are fine. I can see a spiral inside the barrel and it is clean but I cannot detect any lands that could be rifling.
The reason that it took so long to put together is that the butt stock is badly damaged. I took to attempting a fix by filling in the missing parts with epoxy and I was somewhat successful, but..

I am all for historical accuracy and realise that original is the way to go but I notice some numbers “tattooed” (numbers made up of dots like nail pokes), anyway, the rifle S/N is 408xxx and the tattoo is 459xxx.
Suspicious, I would like to ask some of the experts if that tattooed # could mean to be the serial number, in which case the butt stock I have may not be the original original. Just a thought.

My fore stock is OK but if I was to get a new butt stock I was thinking I would get both so the rifle would look better.
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