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Old January 25, 2014, 09:12 AM   #51
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Err...I was mostly referring to the days before 9/11, the Patriot Act, the TSA, and every other government agency and socialist politician who is now turning their abuses inwards.

But whats all this got to do with guns in the house and suicide rates?
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Old January 25, 2014, 09:45 AM   #52
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The only statistic/number I have ever seen presented which is at all convincing of the danger of gun in home argument is increased success of suicide attempts using firearms.

I think most psychiatrists will agree there are two types of attempted suicides. One is a call for help and the other is an actual attempt to end ones life.
What method a person chooses in their attempt is influenced most by their intent. Jumping off of buildings higher than 5 stories has an alarmingly high success rate. No one is arguing to limit construction of tall buildings. So does jumping off of high bridges over dry valleys or cold water. A firearm is reputed to be a near sure thing although I think success rates are lower than many imagine. I think the "success" rate of committing suicide when that is the intent is probably lower with firearms than with many other methods employed as such, but of course it is higher when compared to ?accidental success? rates with with "cry for help methods."

Of course, as a classical liberal I don't think any government expenditure or restriction on rights is a reasonable measure to protect people from themselves.
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Old January 25, 2014, 04:57 PM   #53
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Right, folks may be more successful with firearms. That being said, a person bent on suicide is going to suicide regardless. As noted with the Japan and Korean examples, it may not be with guns, but they will accomplish the task.
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