The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Conference Center > General Discussion Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 11, 2014, 01:01 PM   #26
eldermike
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 24, 2013
Location: NC
Posts: 545
I don't think he should tinker with it. As already suggested, call the manufacturer and or find someone who knows the design of the lock.
eldermike is offline  
Old January 12, 2014, 10:59 AM   #27
RodTheWrench
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 24, 2013
Location: Utah
Posts: 256
A BIG thank you to a1abdj and shortwave! I do appreciate all of the other helpful responses too, but I did exactly what those two suggested and IT WORKED. A 4x4 just shy of the length of the door and a ratcheting strap top and bottom around the whole safe and cranked down really tight allowed the stuck bolts to free up enough to release. You guys saved my butt!

Any automotive questions I can help with. PM me. I'm more than happy to return the favor.
__________________
.
"It's you and me against the world."
"So, when do we attack?"
RodTheWrench is offline  
Old January 12, 2014, 11:20 AM   #28
shortwave
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 17, 2007
Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO
Posts: 5,936
Glad things worked out for ya.

Was it the ammo boxes at the bottom?
shortwave is offline  
Old January 12, 2014, 11:57 AM   #29
armabill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 16, 2001
Location: Glenolden, Pa. USA
Posts: 205
Did you find out what caused the problem?
armabill is offline  
Old January 12, 2014, 12:50 PM   #30
BWM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 6, 2013
Location: SW IN
Posts: 126
This is what happens when you slammed the door! Why not jest shut it.
__________________
Man that likes guns
BWM is offline  
Old January 12, 2014, 02:34 PM   #31
Hal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 9, 1998
Location: Ohio USA
Posts: 7,435
So - don't keep us in suspense...

Is it back to working order or did you just manage to open the door?
Did you find out what was causing the problem?
Hal is offline  
Old January 12, 2014, 04:55 PM   #32
RodTheWrench
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 24, 2013
Location: Utah
Posts: 256
Honestly, I'm not 100% sure. There was a box of ammo at the bottom right where the single bottom bolt goes down, but the upper and lower "adjusters" for the closing side bolts were tweaked as well. I can't see how the 4x4 trick would have worked if it was the ammo (no marks on the plastic box) and after getting everything adjusted it really wasn't that far out of whack. All I know is the handle was tight as hell before cinching down the ratchets, and it got a little easier the tighter I cinched that block of wood. It opened right up with the code when I figured it was sufficiently loosened up. I've tried it several times since and it works like a champ!
__________________
.
"It's you and me against the world."
"So, when do we attack?"

Last edited by RodTheWrench; January 12, 2014 at 06:11 PM.
RodTheWrench is offline  
Old January 12, 2014, 07:06 PM   #33
shortwave
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 17, 2007
Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO
Posts: 5,936
Might be worth mentioning...

When my buddy called about his safe, the first thing I asked him was where the operating manual for the safe was at? It was locked in the safe....so he wouldn't loose it.

Made a suggestion to him to find another place for it for 'safe' keeping.
shortwave is offline  
Old January 12, 2014, 08:08 PM   #34
Hal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 9, 1998
Location: Ohio USA
Posts: 7,435
Nice to hear a story with a happy ending for a change!
Hal is offline  
Old January 12, 2014, 09:53 PM   #35
Uncle Buck
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 21, 2009
Location: West Central Missouri
Posts: 2,561
Now that you have access to the safe, I would check the inside of the door (Remove the panel) and make sure nothing looks bent or shaved.

Glad you got it opened.
__________________
Inside Every Bright Idea Is The 50% Probability Of A Disaster Waiting To Happen.
Uncle Buck is offline  
Old January 19, 2014, 12:51 AM   #36
Sevens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 28, 2007
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 8,771
Just now caught the thread -- awesome that you got out of this jam unscathed! I'll bet you sweated off a few pounds worrying over this debacle!
(oh yeah, can't believe I'm the first to say it... but nice socks in the picture, man! )

Anyway, though the problem is solved, I have to make a comment on something brought up earlier:
Quote:
While safes are a good idea, one that breaks something when you slam the door, isn't.
Quote:
Safes are designed to break when exposed to force, which is the entire point. The safe doesn't know the difference between you slamming the door, and a bad guy smacking it with a sledge hammer, or flipping it on its back to begin to pry on it.
I'll have to second the motion on this one. On my former safe (which I sold to a good friend when I had to move) began to act up a bit (manual S&G dial lock), I got really familiar with the inside of it and I got a -very- good look at the re-locker and the fragile little plate and the awfully strong spring loading the re-locker pin. This entire little gizmo set-up was specifically designed to lock the safe up CLEAN AND DONE if it gets assaulted by some kind of drilling.

In looking at how it is designed... YEAH, I would not (at all!) recommend you violently slam the (ungodly heavy) vault door for any reason. But the point is... don't call your safe "weak" or "fragile" if it doesn't want to have it's heaviest moving part violently slammed shut.

The parts inside there truly are designed to shut down and lock up under assault. That's not "weakness", that's inherent security and defense from attack that's designed in to the safe.

Now then, OP, since you DID get out of this jam...

Why don'tcha share with us why in the heck you got mad enough to slam the door on your safe... with all your favorite stuff inside it?!

If I ever did that, I'd probably break my left wrist because I changed my mind about slamming it -- and I'd stick my stinkin' hand in there to stop it from happening.
__________________
Attention Brass rats and other reloaders: I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.
Sevens is offline  
Old January 19, 2014, 10:36 AM   #37
shortwave
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 17, 2007
Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO
Posts: 5,936
Quote:
(oh yeah, can't believe I'm the first to say it... but nice socks in the picture, man! )
Well Sevens...I saw those as well in the reflection of the safe door but didn't want to kick a 'feller ' when he was down.

Had another friend of mine stop by the house years ago with a medium size safe(not a specific 'gun safe') in the back of his pickup. The safe had come from his fathers ( then, recently deceased) house. Nobody had the combination and the family wanted it opened. He wanted me to use the plasma cutter or torch and cut the thing open. Being a long time friend of mine and having gone to his dads funeral, I knew the safe was legit and had no problem helping him with it.

But was NOT going to use heat on it.

I told him I wouldn't do it cause he couldn't assure me of what was inside. I had concerns of using any kind of heat to open it. He thought I was speaking of damaging the possible valuables inside(money, important papers, jewelry, etc). While the valuables were a concern and I could not guarantee their safety, I was more worried about the possibility of something explosive being in the safe.

People store all kinds of things in safes and you just never know. To burn into any safe without knowing its contents can be risky business. Setting off a jug of gun powder or something else explosive inside a safe could surely ruin your day.

We ended up using a die grinder with a carbide cutoff wheel, hole saw and a sawzall. Ended up, nothing explosive inside.
shortwave is offline  
Old January 19, 2014, 11:54 AM   #38
ChasingWhitetail91
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 10, 2012
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 336
Well talk about cliff hangers shortwave.
__________________
Abraham Lincoln made all men free, Samuel Colt made them equal.
ChasingWhitetail91 is offline  
Old January 19, 2014, 01:19 PM   #39
shortwave
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 17, 2007
Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO
Posts: 5,936
Quote:
Well talk about cliff hangers shortwave.
Sorry bout that ChasingWT91.

Sometimes we see guys in the movies on TV cutting into safes using torch's. In real life that could be very bad mojo.

Just wanted to get it out there that in case someone is ever in the same situation...stop and think before firing up the torch. Could be anything from a can of Zippo lighter fluid inside to C-4. Enclosed in an all steel safe could = a rather violent explosion.

Ya just never know.
shortwave is offline  
Old January 19, 2014, 02:05 PM   #40
CharlieDeltaJuliet
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 25, 2012
Posts: 750
Dang glad to hear everything worked out good for you.
__________________
" The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to
keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect
themselves against tyranny in Government.
..." - Thomas Jefferson
CharlieDeltaJuliet is offline  
Old January 21, 2014, 09:51 AM   #41
ChasingWhitetail91
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 10, 2012
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 336
I would have done it the same way myself, I was talking about telling us all about an old safe you had to get into and not mentioning what was in it
__________________
Abraham Lincoln made all men free, Samuel Colt made them equal.
ChasingWhitetail91 is offline  
Old January 21, 2014, 09:39 PM   #42
Uncle Buck
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 21, 2009
Location: West Central Missouri
Posts: 2,561
Talking about old safes, The guy I worked for as a kid had one in his cellar, built sometime in the middle to late 1800's.

We cut on it with torches, drilled it, beat it with hammers and chisels. Finally got it open and found a vial of liquid near the lock. The old man tossed it outside and it exploded. He told us later it was probably nitroglycerin. Apparently some of the earlier safes had nitro as a deterrent to stop thieves.

The only thing inside the old safe was an empty bank bag and a piece of paper with the combo on it.
__________________
Inside Every Bright Idea Is The 50% Probability Of A Disaster Waiting To Happen.
Uncle Buck is offline  
Old January 22, 2014, 08:34 AM   #43
Pilot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 21, 2000
Posts: 3,650
Now count to ten after you have a frustrating moment!

Glad it worked out.
__________________
Pilot
Pilot is offline  
Old January 22, 2014, 03:01 PM   #44
Sevens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 28, 2007
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 8,771
C'mon!!!!!
The pain has worn off and you've got all the glory of gettin' back inside without wrecking anything.

Now share with us why you slammed the door!
__________________
Attention Brass rats and other reloaders: I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.
Sevens is offline  
Old January 23, 2014, 12:44 AM   #45
45Gunner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 8, 2009
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Posts: 1,728
Electronic Key Pads are not the problem. The problem lies with misuse of the safe. If you side load the locking mechanism, locking parts, gears, and motors can be damaged.

If you take the face of the Key Pad off, you will see a small hole near the top.
Put a small screw driver in there, applying pressure against the mechanism while entering the combination. You might get lucky and it will open. If that doesn't do it for you, invest the money and get a safe repair company out to fix it for you.

Had a similar problem last year although I did not slam my safe door. What I was doing was holding the door closed against pressure that was trying to keep it from closing…one of the door mounted guns was contacting a shelf thus "side loading" the locking mechanism. The way to prevent this in the future is to gently close the safe door and before engaging the lock, make sure the door stays completely closed on its own (assuming the safe is level). If it tends to creep open, check and make sure nothing is preventing the door from staying shut and if there is, change its position which will correct the situation against future problems.
__________________
45Gunner
May the Schwartz Be With You.
NRA Instructor
NRA Life Member
45Gunner is offline  
Old January 23, 2014, 05:12 AM   #46
Sevens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 28, 2007
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 8,771
C'mon, man, read the whole thread.
__________________
Attention Brass rats and other reloaders: I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.
Sevens is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:07 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.11539 seconds with 10 queries