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Old July 10, 2013, 06:19 PM   #126
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I live in the DC Metro area, it's not uncommon for the SWAT teams to be involved in something like this. If Joe Average had done the same thing, it would have been handled the same way. It's safer for everyone involved, both the police and whomever they're there to take into custody, they've extensively trained for it. 20 of them? Who knows, but I doubt it was that many. Overreacting? Let's see, he calls for an armed protest march on DC and gets national exposure as a result, then (allegedly) loads a shotgun on video near the White House with phrases like "We will not obey" and "We are the final American Revolution." and posts the video of himself breaking the law online. What did they think was going to happen? Anyone with half a brain would have taken the drugs out of the house, especially if he wanted to keep owning firearm...legally. Now he's the poster child of a "gun nut" for the anti-gun crowd and a martyr for the other extremist nuts.
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Old July 10, 2013, 08:29 PM   #127
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Now he's the poster child of a "gun nut" for the anti-gun crowd
Actually, I think we've dodged that bullet. Some newspapers call him a "gun activist," but I haven't seen any comparisons between him and us.
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Old July 10, 2013, 10:27 PM   #128
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Gun nut, no. Nut, yes.

There is a MAJOR difference in a nut and a gun nut, AKA an afficianado.
He needs mental help as a member of the former.
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Old July 10, 2013, 11:00 PM   #129
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He's not a gun nut or a gun activist... he's simply a jackass.

He doesn't represent me.
He doesn't present a positive image of gun owners, or activists for that matter.
He doesn't have a clear plan or course of action other than irritating the authorities.
His followers are equally ineffective and serve only to bolster his idiocy.
A tiny minority of the world realizes he exists, even less listen to him.
He's a absolute failure... a pointless, dishonorable existence fraught with police intervention.

We know the government is out of control and does not respect the will of the people anymore... but 95% of us currently live pretty well, can still own as many guns as we can buy, and we really have very little to complain about compared to the rest of the world.

A real activist will have far more smarts than this clown... a real activist will get elected.
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Old July 11, 2013, 04:44 PM   #130
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He was busted with drugs.
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Old July 13, 2013, 01:11 PM   #131
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That's been mentioned. Another poster boy for the RBKA.
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Old July 15, 2013, 02:47 PM   #132
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The "plan" is to be non-violent...yet their weapons are loaded...hmmmm.....

I guess the question is, can he find 1000 people willing to join him?
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Old July 15, 2013, 03:10 PM   #133
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If we could just listen to history

Rosa Parks changed our laws, our thoughts and our lives by doing nothing more than just quietly saying, 'no' in 1962.

It took a humble, elderly women to, uhem, stand her ground by refusing to move.

This classless act did exactly the opposite and got the opposite effect.


We need humility and we need to stick to what is right or what we know as the Bill of Rights.

If we could learn to stand our ground for the entire Bill of Rights, others might wake up and join in.
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Old July 17, 2013, 04:24 PM   #134
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That's been mentioned. Another poster boy for the RBKA
What?
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Old July 17, 2013, 04:56 PM   #135
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...y.html?hpid=z2

Busted for drugs while in possession of a firearm.

Not clear if the video triggered the search.

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Old July 17, 2013, 05:11 PM   #136
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Glenn, your link's a 404. Here's another.

And yes, the warrant was issued by US Park Police based on the video. The drugs were just an added bonus.
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Old July 18, 2013, 05:08 PM   #137
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Hey Tom Servo.

You're absolutely correct about people on this forum being active, but the fact is over half the country is either uninformed, in denial, or has been indoctrinated by the media.

The whole point of the Second Amendment is so the people can fight back against a tyrannical government and the founders said so. They said we not only have the right but the moral obligation to do whatever is necessary to keep the government check. Not the other way around, they work for us.

I think it's time for drastic measures, because if people don't do something now it may not be up to us peace loving Americans soon. How drastic those actions should be depends on if the government listens or not.

Protesting, marching, writing your representatives, financially supporting those that share your beliefs and voting are our best chances at peace. If People are too lazy to even vote they're not America in my opinion and deserve what they get. I just don't want their in actions to cost my children their freedom.


I just want my children to be free

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Old July 26, 2013, 08:59 PM   #138
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The arrest warrant is posted here. Apparently the detective

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has previously observed Kokesh on two separate occasions at the White House and I have reviewed over 25 videos depicting Kokesh. The videos include video of Kokesh's arrest on June 8, 2013, for possession of marijuana in front of the White House. At the time of the instant offense, Kokesh was on release in the marijuana possession case which bears case number 2013-CMD -0¡OSZ2.
They seized the shotgun and several other guns, as well as marijuana, mushrooms, and "other suspected narcotics."

So, he's being charged in Washington DC for violation of § 22-4504, which carries a fine of $5,000 and/or up to five years in prison. However, the separate drug charges in Fairfax may add up to a felony, in which case the punishment for violating DC's gun law is a $10,000 fine and/or 10 years in the pokey.

So, at least he's not our problem any more.
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Old January 17, 2014, 02:10 PM   #139
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Saw this come over the news and thought many here would like an update.

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A D.C. Superior Court judge Friday placed Adam Kokesh, the Fairfax County gun-rights advocate, on two years of probation in connection with an Independence Day incident in which he videotaped himself loading a shotgun in Freedom Plaza, near the White House
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...d84_story.html

Seems that in June he was seen by police smoking marijuana outside the white house, then did the incident of possessing, loading, a pump shotgun in july at Freedom Plaza, both which lead to the arrest. Turns out he plead guilty and apologized per the article.

It mentioned that he is also moving to California as well, but also that he will refrain from civil disobedience.
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Old January 19, 2014, 09:39 AM   #140
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"It mentioned that he is also moving to California as well, but also that he will refrain from civil disobedience."

Thank God.
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Old January 19, 2014, 05:15 PM   #141
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How long are we supposed to tolerate the DC court's refusal to cut a decision in the carry case, Palmer v. DC?

It was fully briefed and waiting for a decision in what, mid-2009? By July we'll have been waiting five years. For an INITIAL decision that we'll likely have to appeal...or if we win, it's a dead certainty that DC will appeal and the struck-down law will get a stay until that sorts out.

If the Supremes won't take a carry case as they've refused to so far, and the district court level flat-out ignores us...what the hell do we do, guys? Just take it?
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Old January 20, 2014, 11:24 AM   #142
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Elect folks who will deal with the issue through legislation? That's a thought.
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Old January 20, 2014, 04:59 PM   #143
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Hold on. The last piece we have of the "right to petition for redress of grievance" lies in the courts. If the courthouse door is literally closed to us that's a very serious problem.
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Old January 20, 2014, 05:51 PM   #144
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If the courthouse door is literally closed to us that's a very serious problem.
There are other courts and other cases. If we look back at the history of the 2nd Amendment and the court system, 5 years is a blink of an eye. This stuff will take time, and there will be setbacks.

As it is, Kokesh's work was never about effecting change for the RKBA. It was about his own personal grandstanding. We're better off without him.
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Old January 20, 2014, 08:47 PM   #145
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As it is, Kokesh's work was never about effecting change for the RKBA. It was about his own personal grandstanding. We're better off without him.
Forget about Kokesh. OK? And I'm sorry but "other cases" and "setbacks" doesn't cut it.

We haven't LOST the DC carry case. We've been denied access to court. That ain't the same thing. We can appeal a loss. We can even learn from a loss at appeals and try again. But to get shut out of the courthouse entirely is a whole 'nother level of problem.

Does anybody reading this thread have a solution?

Does anybody have an opinion as to how long we should wait at the courthouse door?

Six years?

Ten?
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Old January 20, 2014, 09:09 PM   #146
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Forget about Kokesh. OK?
Well, his actions are the subject of this thread.

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No, but that doesn't mean the same issue can't be raised in other courts if it's deferred in DC.
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