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Old January 14, 2014, 03:43 PM   #1
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26 Nosler

0-415yds point blank and as much energy at 400yds as a 260 at the muzzle. Yep, you got my attention.

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Old January 14, 2014, 03:57 PM   #2
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It now has my attention too. Thanks for sharing.
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Old January 14, 2014, 06:20 PM   #3
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Very intriguing, however thats more than likely a five thousand dollar investment... Luckily brass will be available...
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Old January 14, 2014, 08:38 PM   #4
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Awesome but,

Give me a 6.5 swede and I'll be happy as a pig in swill.
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Old January 14, 2014, 10:09 PM   #5
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As if the 6.5-284 wasn't a big enough barrel burner. It will be interesting if the 26 Nosler will have a very long life as other factory wildcats haven't done too well lately.
I'll stick with the 260 Rem,6.5 Creedmoor,and my 6.5-06 for my 6.5mm calibers.
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Old January 14, 2014, 10:17 PM   #6
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They have made a beltless .264 Win mag. Seriously, I am guessing this is simply the .375 Ruger necked down to 6.5. The wildcat has been around almost as long as the .375 Ruger.
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Old January 15, 2014, 01:46 AM   #7
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I have tried to find the parent case from a Nosler source or a dimensioned drawing and have been frustrated.

There is no good reason for this secrecy.
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Old January 15, 2014, 08:09 AM   #8
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I'm sure you'll be able to find production rifles from Browning, Ruger, Remington and Savage chambering the cartridge before too long. Nosler would be remiss to be the only ones offering the platform, they make far more money off the ammo and components than they do their firearms.

No idea on barrel life but I wouldn't think it is any worse than the rest of the overbore cartridges out there. 25'06 eats barrels up yet people buy the heck out of them same with virtually every other magnum.
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Old January 15, 2014, 04:23 PM   #9
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We discussed this awhile back. Their 0 to 415 yard claim is quite literally a stretch.

Actually, it's a claim any cartridge on the planet could make, since they make no reference to maximum height above LoS.

As it is, I did the math and you'd have to be willing to be sighted 5" high at 210 yards, zeroed at 350 and be 5" low at 415 yards. That matches their claim exactly.

I don't know too many folks willing to be sighted 5" high.

Plus, as I said in the other thread, basing a new cartridge off a long action seems to be bucking the current market trends and consumer interest.

Oh, and I think the rifle is $1,600? No thanks.
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Old January 15, 2014, 09:01 PM   #10
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Well said, Brian. A 129 at 3400? If the WinMag was a burner, Holy Cow! I'll stick with my 260 and 6.5-06.
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Old January 15, 2014, 09:07 PM   #11
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The trend definitely is short, but I personally do not personally care if a cartridge in a hunting rifle requires a short, standard, or H&H length action. What I am not crazy about is coming out with a brand new cartridge that does the exact same thing one we already have does. From their numbers I have seen, the cartridge will not even match the .264 Win. mag. The .264 Win. Mag. has some of the most conservative published data I have ever seen. I have had several of them over the years. I still have three and am re-barreling one of them now. I have never had one that would not beat the published load data by at least 200 fps at any bullet weight. In some of the lighter bullet weights it can beat the published data by almost 400 FPS. My guess is the .260 Nosler will be a flop.
Geaux Tide, the Win Mag was not and is not a burner. The win MAg will push a 129 over 3400 fps pretty easily. All my re-barrels came between 900 and 1200 shots. Not a "burner" by any means.

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900-1200 shots? I would have thought that was basically the definition of a barrel burner. I've never heard of a cartridge that goes under 800 or so and that's rare.
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Old January 16, 2014, 12:19 AM   #13
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..The trend definitely is short, but I personally do not personally care if a cartridge in a hunting rifle requires a short, standard, or H&H length action. What I am not crazy about is coming out with a brand new cartridge that does the exact same thing one we already have does...
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Old January 16, 2014, 03:13 PM   #14
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Brian, you would consider 800 to 1200 in a hunting rifle a barrel burner? Oddly enough I am re-barreling 7 Rem mags and 7Wsm's in the same range. The only difference in them and the .264 is they gradually tell you they need a barrel. The .264 Win mag in less than 20 shots goes from 3/8 to 1/2 MOA to broad side of a barn MOA.
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Old January 16, 2014, 07:43 PM   #15
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Never really considered it's purpose. If it goes to hell in 800 rounds, it a MAJOR barrel burner. 1,200 rounds is still very bad. Many cartridges easily go triple that number, on the low end.
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Old January 16, 2014, 08:26 PM   #16
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There are plenty of cartridges that go half that many before needing a barrel. To me the .22 Cheetah is a burner.
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Old January 16, 2014, 08:39 PM   #17
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Those type of cartridges start being important at 700yds + . As a hunter that makes it meaningless.
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Old January 16, 2014, 08:46 PM   #18
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There are plenty of cartridges that go half that many before needing a barrel. To me the .22 Cheetah is a burner.

Maybe, but to me that's like saying that my 9mpg truck isn't bad on gas because somebody else's gets 5.

They both suck.
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Old January 16, 2014, 09:16 PM   #19
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They would've been soo much better off just commercializing the 6.5-06 AI. With modern advances in bullets, especially 6.5's, the 6.5-06 AI could take the place of both the .25-06 and .270 win and give similar ballistics as the .26 Nosler.
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Old January 17, 2014, 09:38 AM   #20
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Sure is a whole lot of supposition, griping and assumptions on a cartridge that no one on here has shot or experienced. Fact is none of us know very much about it yet. We don't know if it is any more of a barrel hog than any other overbore. We don't know if it is better, the same or worse than a .264, 6.5'06, 6.5-284 etc.

Maybe that all bears out down the line butt you got to be careful about ass-umptions.

Honestly though, if Nosler is only going to sell this cartridge in their rifles and it isn't picked up by the big commercial guys, the round will be a failure.
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Old January 17, 2014, 10:00 AM   #21
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26 Nosler - Wildcating goes mainstream!

Some of these new cartridges like the .26 Nosler remind me of when wildcating was in it's hay days. Shooters loved to take any base case & neck it up, down blow it out, size it in, etc. Great fun to see the results & hear the claims. It seems like the manufacturer are now doing the same thing except they are not restricted by the base case - they can make a new one! It doesn't matter that just about every conceivable "gap" in commercial cartridges from .17 to .50 has been filled!

But Nosler made a big mistake - the name. No charisma in .26 Nosler, which perhaps in the long run, may be its only signature property distinguishing it from the pack!

JIMHO...

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Old January 17, 2014, 10:24 AM   #22
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Sure is a whole lot of supposition, griping and assumptions on a cartridge that no one on here has shot or experienced. Fact is none of us know very much about it yet. We don't know if it is any more of a barrel hog than any other overbore. We don't know if it is better, the same or worse than a .264, 6.5'06, 6.5-284 etc.
Well, there are blind assumptions and then there are suppositions based on other calculations, experience or related data.

My trajectory numbers are no "assumption". They use the identical bullet at identical velocity as claimed by Nosler and in order to get their claimed trajectory they need to be sighted 5" high at 210 yards. Who sights in 5" high? Nosler's numbers are literally a stretch.

As far as burning barrels, it's quite well known that "over bore" cartridges are rough on barrels. The more over bore the worse they are.

Now, there are various ideas of what constitutes "over bore" and/or predicts barrel life.

One idea is that if the case capacity divided bore area is 1200 or greater, the cartridge is over bore. The 26 Nosler should come out between 1750 and 1860. That would be SEVERELY over bore. Very few cartridges, in fact almost none, calculate that high.

Bart B calculated long ago that the relationship between powder capacity and bore area in mm^2 was an excellent predictor of barrel life. The powder capacity should not exceed the square mm. The bore area in mm of the 26 Nosler is about 35.3. The case capacity is presumedly in the mid to high 90gr range. That puts the case almost 3 times the bore capacity. According to Bart, burning 90gr in a 30 caliber only yields about 750 rounds of competition level accuracy. This thing will be burning more than 90gr in a 26 caliber.

There's also an excel spreadsheet available that predicts barrel life using his basic formula and adds powder heat potential since some powders are harder on barrels than others. That spreadsheet gives the 26 Nosler 341 rounds for barrel life.

In the end, I don't think what I'm making are "assumptions".

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Old January 17, 2014, 10:53 AM   #23
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http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=52201

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2.../09/26-nosler/

http://www.noslerreloading.com/viewt...hp?f=4&t=26173

http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...nosler-125252/

http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers...26-nosler.html

BF, your calc's seem to be on. The cartridge though seems to be geared and marketed more towards the hunting crowd with long range aspirations. Doubtful it would be a favorite of those shooting paper or steel at long ranges on a constant basis but, for the average hunter it may be a winner. I'm still interested in finding out more about it for beanfields and the long powerlines we have, though I doubt seriously if it would replace my beloved 7mm08 as my go to since the majority of my hunting is 250 and under.
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Did anyone figure out for sure what the parent case is?
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Old January 17, 2014, 07:08 PM   #25
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It's rumored to be the .375Ruger.

There's a picture of a loaded round on Nosler's Facebook page. It looks very similar to a 7mm RUM, which has the .300RUM as a parent, which has the .404 Jefferey as a parent.

GunDigest has diagram with only a few dimensions. If it's to scale, the rest could be calculated.

The head diameter matches the .375Ruger exactly and the case is 0.10 longer, which a length increase would be expected from necking it down.
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