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Old November 14, 2009, 05:26 AM   #26
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Old November 14, 2009, 05:30 AM   #27
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Old January 10, 2010, 06:55 PM   #28
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Values are GREATLY determined by condition, condition, and condition in addition to scarcity / rarity or a model / variation. Without knowing the condition and which exact model/variation you have it's simply not possible. For example a brown type I model I "manufactured by" (1st variation) is worth 5G+ a brown (what you see in the picture tops) 2nd type 3rd model is probably only worth about 500.
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Old January 20, 2010, 06:35 AM   #29
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Elmer Keith made several references to this little gun in his books and stated that it had a lot of respect in the Old West, though not for the power of its cartridge. He also stated that the company that was the first to produce reproduction Single Action Army revolvers (Great Western?) was going to also produce these little derringers. That would have been over 50 years ago now. Any idea if any of them were ever made?
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Old December 14, 2013, 08:50 PM   #30
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Derringer Color

Powermwt,

Did you ever find out any more about your derringer. I have one that was passed down from my grandfather and has the same color. Yours is the only other one that I have seen the same color. I will include pics of mine at it is in pristine condition for its age and I don't think the other posts about it being anything other than original are true. Please update me if you have any further information.

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Old December 14, 2013, 09:05 PM   #31
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It is plum colored because it is made of iron { not carbon steel }and has been polished and reblued . Iron takes a special process to be blued. just ask someone who has blued a Winchester 94.
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Old December 14, 2013, 09:20 PM   #32
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Sometimes cast takes on that hue. I've had a couple of revolvers that I know weren't reblued that turned plum.
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Old December 15, 2013, 10:44 AM   #33
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Elmer Keith made several references to this little gun in his books and stated that it had a lot of respect in the Old West, though not for the power of its cartridge.
He also stated that the company that was the first to produce reproduction Single Action Army revolvers (Great Western?) was going to also produce these little derringers.
That would have been over 50 years ago now.
Any idea if any of them were ever made?


Great Western (1953-64) made 3500 deringers in the buyers choice of either .38S&W or .38S&W Special (not interchangeable) before they closed their doors in 1964.
There has reportedly been one (1) experimental model in .22WRM documented.




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Old December 15, 2013, 11:43 AM   #34
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Here is mine after closer exam of the pictures I believe mine has a cracked hinge.
I'm afraid you're right. It's definitely cracked in the first picture.
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Old December 15, 2013, 01:51 PM   #35
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Here is mine after closer exam of the pictures I believe mine has a cracked hinge.
The hinge definitely looks to be cracked, and the lower barrel also appears to have running cracks on both sides.
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Old December 15, 2013, 01:54 PM   #36
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Are you saying my plum HK P7 is cast iron ??

Those little guns were dangerous not because of a powerful cartridge but because if infection. No antibotics in the old days.
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Old December 15, 2013, 06:14 PM   #37
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Derringer Color

Thanks for the replies. I never considered that two guns could age or discolor in the same way. I also never considered that a blued gun would change color. I will try again to include better pictures.

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Old December 15, 2013, 06:33 PM   #38
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Are you saying my plum HK P7 is cast iron ??
FWIW, There's a LOT of Rugers out there with plum-colored rifle receivers & Sa revolver frames, too.

Similarly to gunz like the Remington Double Derringer with iron frames, the Ruger (and most likely the Glock's) plum color is a result of the type of steel alloy used, combined with the maker's bluing process, which causes a reaction over the years (not immediately).



Here's a discourse on the subject: http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=127768




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Old December 15, 2013, 08:01 PM   #39
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The "plum" color is usually caused by the alloy metal (often nickel or chrome) but also can be the result of the bluing used and its freshness. Ruger's "plum" guns certainly were not cast iron, and Ruger's engineers went nuts trying to come up with a bluing process that would "blue" those guns.

On those derringers, the hinge cracking is probably due to the common practice of "flipping" the gun open, not from firing it. Nonetheless, a cracked hinge (and the hinge on that last gun is cracked) will reduce the value.

Many of the problems with modern center fire double derringers comes from the greater distance the firing pin has to move from the center of one primer to the center of the other. In the originals the firing pin had to move only a short distance, from the top of one rimfire round to the bottom of the other.

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FWIW, There's a LOT of Rugers out there with plum-colored rifle receivers & Sa revolver frames, too.
Ruger frames/receivers are cast steel. not forged. That's why they turn plum. I think the amount of sunlight they get has something to do with it.
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