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Old October 27, 2013, 07:46 AM   #1
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Would like input from multiple shooting types.

I have been doing a bunch of research, and believe I see a market for a cartridge that has not really been addressed yet. I have the drawings done up, and am in the saving money stage for the engineering and tooling for the casings. (along with the multitude of legal matters!!!)
I would like input from my fellow shooters as to what you are looking for in your ammunition.

Would like to hear from hunters, bench rest, long gun competition, tactical teams, essentially everyone.

Are you looking for certain velocities, energy, recoil levels, barrel life, etc...

For tactical (read SWAT teams, and snipers) are you worried about over penetrations, or having to go through barriers?

Any input would be a great help, and would be truly appreciated!!

Thank You

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I guess I should mention that this is a "rifle" cartridge that I'm looking to develop.
And would also like to hear input from hunters from Indiana...

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Old October 28, 2013, 08:13 PM   #2
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Probably a lot of guys here that never felt a need for a cartridge that didn't already exist.
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Old October 28, 2013, 09:16 PM   #3
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So it would appear...

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Old October 28, 2013, 09:52 PM   #4
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Give me something easy to attach to an AR 15 -- better if it only needs a new barrel, but even if you can swap to it in an upper that would work.

Decent penetration, but not an elephant killer. More weight than the 5.56 at around the same velocity, but balancing the recoil so you don't end up with a .308 or .338 kick.

Something available for less than 75 cents on the market or easy to reload for.

Also, ballistics are important. Ballistics are a big thing keeping me from a round like the 7.62X39

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Old October 29, 2013, 06:24 AM   #5
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You want hunters, target shooters, snipers, etc. to tell you what they want. Each use is it's own specialty area, and there are already a plethora of cartridges that can be chosen for each.

On top of that, it's the bullet performance that makes the real difference for each use. So, unless you're going to come up with a new bullet design - I fail to see your point without further explanation.

I find it hard to believe that you're going to develop a single cartridge that will fill each need as well as the cartridges already available. A 1,000 yard target cartridge is completely different than what a hunter needs for deer in heavy brush as only one example.

Bears are different than wild hogs, and, when you get into African big game - that's a totally different requirement.

So, just exactly what is this cartridge that you're going to develop that hasn't been addressed by the multitude of .22, .30, .35, .38, .40, .45, and .50 caliber cartridges that are already available?
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Old November 2, 2013, 10:54 AM   #6
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Well, I would like to thank , Buckhorn, and Dakota for their input.

To help answer Buckhorn's question, and hopefully clarify some things I'll offer the following.

I have found a casing that I plan to modify that would fit in a short/standard action that would have comparable ballistics with the WSM line of cartridges. The difference is that if you have say a .243, .308, or 7mm-08, you would only need to rechamber to the new cartridge. (the magazine will probably have so be modified slightly).
This would ideally allow for use in a lighter, more manageable firearm.

Plans right now are being drawn up for "standard" length actions (aka .270, 30-06) along with shorter actions (.243, 308, etc) along with a round that would be legal for Indiana hunters. (1.80" case length .358 caliber).

I also plan to use all of the calibers that Buckhorn has already listed above.

Would also like to manufacture the "standard" loads that are out there, so as to help with any short comings the like of which we have already seen.

I hope this helped!!

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Old November 2, 2013, 12:09 PM   #7
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The ackley improved cartridges have always appealed to me. Slightly better velocities, improved case life and, most importantly, the ability to still shoot factory ammo if necessary. The kind of cartridge being discussed here falls into the 'wildcat' catagory. While many have become widely accepted and standardized (243, 25-06, more recently 300blackout) the vast majority are really just novelties. It's nice to be able to go to a store and buy ammo if you need it.
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Old November 2, 2013, 07:40 PM   #8
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I have found a casing that I plan to modify that would fit in a short/standard action that would have comparable ballistics with the WSM line of cartridges.
So why wouldn't I just use the appropriate WSM or WSSM caliber?
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Old November 3, 2013, 08:43 AM   #9
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For tactical (read SWAT teams, and snipers) are you worried about over penetrations, or having to go through barriers?
Have you ever been in a situation where the SWAT team was called out? It can be a pretty adrenalin rushed sort of day when that happens. The last thing a team member needs to do is worry about changing ammunition selection.

Most people have a general purpose round for the gun they are using. In my .30-30, I do not worry about a round that can travel 300 yards. I want a round that will be heavy enough to break through the brush and kill what I am shooting at.
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Old November 3, 2013, 09:50 AM   #10
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As for the wildcatting, at first, yes it will be wildcatting, most rounds start off that way, but I do plan on getting them SAAMI approved.

Why not the WSM, or WSSM? Why not get a standard .308, and just change the barrel. Much cheaper than buying another rifle. And in my research, the "standard" diameter bolt will hold the pressures. Hence the shorter/lighter, action/ firearm.

As far as SWAT teams are concerned. No I have never had the reason to call in for a SWAT team. Much like the Military snipers, and benchrest shooters they are quite the specialty, and I would love their input.

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