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View Poll Results: General Purpose Revolver, with personal defense in mind
Taurus Raging Judge 6" (.454 Casull, .45 Col and .410 Gauge) 6 9.52%
Taurus Raging Judge 3" 1 1.59%
Smith and Wesson "The GOVERNOR" 3" (.45 Colt, .45 ACP, and .410 Gauge) 16 25.40%
**Theoretical** Smith and Wesson "The GOVERNOR 6" 4 6.35%
Other Large Frame Revolver 6" 8 12.70%
Other Large Frame Revolver 3" 28 44.44%
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Old December 1, 2011, 10:10 AM   #26
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Both the judge and governor are sucker bait.
Sucker?

Back that up "Sucker"!

I've shot a Judge in 45colt and .410, I thought it's kind of cool. How about you? Not that I would buy another taurus, but the Gov is on my "long" list.
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Old December 1, 2011, 08:44 PM   #27
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I have a judge PD killed a grouse 30 yds away with a rem #4 shot .410 shell
Also have a Governor finished off a deer 20 yards away with 000 buck
The governor is a much better quality firearm, looks, feels, and shoots better than my judge.. IMO save for the GOV its worth it
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Old December 1, 2011, 11:43 PM   #28
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the 1/5 ounce .410 slugs have the weight of cas ammunition for 38 special, but the muzzle energy of normal 158 grain lrn 38 special.

thats still a bigger entry hole and more energy then the wonderful 25 and 32 acp revolvers that everyone tells me is more viable as a carry weapon then a snub nosed 38 spcl.

the federal buckshot loads are generating what is essentially a 4 round burst function from a 32acp revolver with just about the same muzzle energy per projectile.

seriously, a company just released a 32 or 380 acp semi auto that comes with a buttstock that has 3 round burst mode in it.

no offense but the 45 acp with the sw governor mandates all ammo be used with a moon clip, thats not something I want to deal with. and the 45 acp really isnt that much of an advantage over 45 colt. sure you can find 45 in more places, but the price/availability doesnt mean anything if your still buying the 1 dollar a round hollow points.
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Old October 19, 2013, 07:03 AM   #29
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judge v govenor

As usual, it all depends on need/ use. For a snap shot weapon, these guns are awesome. Where would you need a snap shot? A vehicle for one. These guns are excellent vehicle weapons. Got a snake problem? Again, these weapons are excellent for that purpose. Need / application should always be the #1 consideration.
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Old October 19, 2013, 07:34 AM   #30
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I've got a Public Defender that seems to be a decent little revolver.

I’d read that some of these revolvers will accept 45 ACP in Taurus’s little 5-shot ‘Stellar’ clip intended for their Model 455 snubnose. Some won’t; the difference being about 0.008″ as near as I could tell. Anyhow I ordered a 5 pack of moon clips and determined to make them work. One of the glorious things about an off-brand revolver is that you’re not afraid to go hammer & tongs on it.

I removed about 0.007″ from the recoil plate before the clips would drop in and turn freely with ACP cartridges in place. The firing pin still sits below flush and headspace has not changed significantly, so there should be no negatives with this modification for standard-pressure 45 Colt or 410 shot-shells. It did require a complete tear-down and I slicked things up a little, while I was in there.



I don't really need one in 454 but it would be nice if the Public Defender would handle Ruger-level 45 Colt loads. I am disinclined to attempt this, myself.
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Old October 20, 2013, 09:40 AM   #31
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If you just gotta have one get the S&W. Both are just gimmicks in my book, but if it turns you on why not? I have shot the S&W with 45ACP, I was surprised that it was accurate for SD purposes.
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Old October 22, 2013, 06:40 PM   #32
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I knew this would be a free for all...many thanks to all who have contributed to this time worn debate...a million laughs.

My own take on either?....Only Glock could make an uglier handgun...and usefulness in any real sense of the term?...you must be kidding.

Either is a marketing scam of monumental proportions! Best Regards, Rod
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Old October 22, 2013, 06:59 PM   #33
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I bought a Judge for the novelty of it. Fun to shoot. The accuracy with 45 has been good for me. No regrets.
I found a place that custom loads ammo that offered "nickle-plated lead BBs" and loaded them in 3" 410 shell. None hit the target at 50 feet. And the primer backed out after firing, locking up the cylinder after the second shot. Other shells did not do that. But the effective range for shotshells is apparently quite short.
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Old October 23, 2013, 12:41 PM   #34
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Bought a Judge for skeet. Usually shoot 20 or 21. Had to sell it because the other skeet shooters were being shamed so bad. Never shot any .45's out of it since it was a dedicated skeet gun.


And if you believe that story you deserve to have to own a Judge or a Governor. I have shot a Judge and for me personally it is one of the biggest rip-offs in firearms history. The only application I could ever see for one is to apply the saying that any gun is better than no gun.

If you are an owner and find good utility in your Judge or Governor that is great. I'm serious. They are just not for me.
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Old October 23, 2013, 01:28 PM   #35
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You using AA trap loads, Beagle?

Seriously... I don't kid myself about what these guns will or won't do. They are OK defense guns with the 00 buck loads to about 10 yards and good with 45 Colt to about 25. They are a real decent snake gun.

An elefunt gun, bear gun or match gun, they are not.
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Old October 23, 2013, 02:55 PM   #36
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I bought a Judge for the novelty of it. Fun to shoot. The accuracy with 45 has been good for me. No regrets.
This sounds 100% rational to me. I would be willing to bet that it would be fun & enjoyable to goof around with. Since that's mostly what I do with handguns anyway, I can see a use or even a "need" for a Judge.

As a defense tool, I can find -thousands- of better choices. Would it work if pressed in to a defensive role? Well, I would give it a shot rather than a stick or a rock or my paws, but if specifically chosen as a defensive tool against human attackers, I think it's a radically poor choice.

Some time ago, I used to praise Taurus for this invention of this concept-- they built something that many people wanted to purchase. I love the idea that a gun company is willing to make & market something that people want, even if I believe the idea behind it (generally) is flawed. So many companies are far too stodgy to try goofy ideas, Taurus does it all the time.

That opinion? I have revised it. I still give Taurus credit for trying odd things in hopes of finding a market and selling guns, but I have to ratchet it way, WAY up-- for what Taurus has now done is to actually create enough of a market for this "low purpose" concept so as to actually make one of the world's oldest & most successful gun makers actually build a version of it simply because they were convinced of a sales market and an opportunity to sell something.

Smith & Wesson isn't "easily convinced" to do... anything. Taurus' wacky invention actually pushed the stodgy old S&W to make the Governor.

That's a major accomplishment.

I don't see me ever spending money on a Judge, but there's no way I can't give 'em credit for that thing. And as I quoted above, if you want to have FUN with a handgun and the Judge delivers that fun, then you hit a home run when you bought it, and you are far from a sucker if that revolver delivers for you.
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Old October 24, 2013, 08:13 AM   #37
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I bought mine a few years ago for a snake gun. It is easier to carry than a shot gun. I would not try to carry it for SD because it is to big for me. I would not trade my Sig for the Judge in a gun fight because of the ammo limit. With the newer ammo that is made for SD, the Judge can do the job. As for accuracy, I can shoot the Judge as well as my other revolvers.
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Old October 24, 2013, 05:59 PM   #38
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I do not care for either shotgun. If given the choice between the S&W and the Taurus. S&W is the obvious choice for not only reliaibility, but resale value as well.
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Old October 24, 2013, 06:03 PM   #39
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Maybe a better option

I would like to S&W come out with a 625 revolver at the Governor's price point and construction with the scandium frame and fixed night sights and not at $200 plus dollars more MSRP.

Possibly a compact version of said revolver with 5 shots vs 6, but still cut for moon clips just slightly more compact.

I "kind of like" the Judge/Governor concept, it is neat but not enticing enough for me to drop the coin on it.
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Old October 24, 2013, 07:49 PM   #40
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The judge could be a decent range toy if it didn't have such an awful trigger and horribly narrow grips
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Old October 24, 2013, 08:07 PM   #41
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The judge could be a decent range toy if it didn't have such an awful trigger and horribly narrow grips
My Judge Public Defender Poly has a better than average DA trigger, ans SA is Light, and crisp. The factory "Ribber" grips were a bit small, but replacing them with Pachmayr Diamond Pro grips gives It a great feel.
Not just a range toy, but a very viable choice to be carried in a vehicle as well. Stoked with two OOO Buckshot designed for handgun use, and backed up by 3 45 Colt HP rounds It is a formidable anti carjacking choice.
Away from the two legged snakes, and on to the fanged variety, a blast of 7 1/2 shot at 10 feet produces a snake busting pattern.
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Old October 24, 2013, 10:40 PM   #42
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Judge VS GOVERNOR

Don't forget the Gov gives you 6 rounds and the Judge only 5.

I'd like to have the 454 over the 45 ACP but I'll never own any Taurii so for me it'd be the Governor.
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Old October 25, 2013, 09:29 PM   #43
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The judge wins hands down. Really it does.

1. no stinking moon clips

2. various barrel sizes

They were made for SHORT RANGE defense shooting. Not for 100 yard head shots.
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Old October 26, 2013, 10:41 AM   #44
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Missed the Poll

I'm still perplexed by the popularity of shotgun revolvers.
A good friend of mine has a Taurus for 3" .410 with a six inch barrel. That just seems to me to be too heavy and cumbersome to carry.
And whatever happened to the THUNDER FIVE that came out in the mid 1990s?
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Old November 2, 2013, 04:51 PM   #45
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Why the Judge is more powerful then you think

This is a nice article on why the Judge is a good choice for home defense. He has some gel test on his youtube channel as well.
http://shootingthebull.net/blog/why-...han-you-think/
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Old November 2, 2013, 07:04 PM   #46
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Probably the best, and most truthful, fact based reviews of what the Judge can, and can't do. I already knew how accurate my PD Poly is, but this also supports the fact that it is also certainly powerful, and efficient enough for HD, and SD.
The two video reviews are must sees for anybody thinking about buying a Judge. especially the "little" Public Defender. I think they would be good viewing for any open minded detractor as well.
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Old November 2, 2013, 07:26 PM   #47
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Judge VS GOVERNOR

Lots of Tauri hate in here. I like pretty much all gun makers. If it goes boom I am in......
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Old November 2, 2013, 07:39 PM   #48
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Lots of Tauri hate in here. I like pretty much all gun makers. If it goes boom I am in.....
Had S&W came out with the Governor first it would have been heralded as the greatest innovation in self defense of the decade!
The haters have slammed the Judge so much they can't go back now and say it's a viable firearm. Even if a copy is now being made by one of their "approved" manufacturers.

I have two completely trouble free, reliable, and fun to shoot guns from Taurus. the a fore mentioned PD Poly, and a PT22 Poly. A Tracker 992 revolver is next, being very high on my short list!
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Old November 2, 2013, 08:33 PM   #49
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I can attest that the Judge loaded with 'home rolled' 410 shells a buddy of mine loads IS a snowball killing machine.

Too, my Judge has killed more then a few rotten tomatoes still hanging on the vine, numerous coons and to date, has one, sweet corn stealing fox squirrel to its credit that was heavily engrossed in having lunch in the garden.
A true killing machine, it is.

We have a blast with ours.
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Old November 2, 2013, 10:10 PM   #50
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What load are you guys using on the coons, Shortwave?
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