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Old October 12, 2013, 08:06 AM   #26
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Boy that's a lot of copying and pasting. Not sure what the point was but that's ok. Anyways what I said in my post at the begining has been proven. Not sure why but wow do the DI guys get their feathers ruffled when you point out how superior the gas piston system is. Nobody said the DI system isn't good, it's just that the gas piston system is better. It's a natural evolution of firearms. Everything I posted here is true, and I know you realize that. However, this is an internet forum so it'll be argued over, blown out of proportion, etc, etc. If you like your DI gun, keep it, if you like chrome lined barrels, keep yours and even buy another. These arguments have been going on since the piston guns were developed and will continue for quite some time I'm sure. Hey doesn't an AK have a gas piston?..I don't think they had chrome lined barrels either ...weren't they legendary for their reliability through steamy jungles to northern European artic / Eurasian regions? Let the arguing continue LOL.
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Old October 12, 2013, 09:07 AM   #27
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I am a gas piston guy but I can see the disadvantages of the gas setup. Parts interchanagbility, weight, price..etc. I agree about it being a better system for a few. But for general purposes a normal shooter wouldn't benefit from it. The only point I'd argue with you is the LWRC or Hk makes the best piston guns. Hk has no carrrier tilt problem and I think LWRC has it fixed too.
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Old October 12, 2013, 03:30 PM   #28
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Everything I posted here is true, and I know you realize that.
Alright mods, I think we can officially lock this one up.

Since MJFlores is always right and what he says is gospel, there's nothing else to learn or discuss here!

...Though I seriously doubt he will go post the contents of his posts over at m4carbine.net as I suggested, since those guys REALLY know their ARs.
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Old October 12, 2013, 07:26 PM   #29
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I agree, this one just lost all credibility.

a piston system is superior to a DI system, when both are used in designs built around each system. conversions from one to another is where this creates problems and that's exactly the case with every AR with a piston because this is a system built around a model instead of the other way around.

there is also the issue of GOOD piston systems VS BAD piston systems.
M1 garands have a PISTON SYSTEM and how many times a week is there a thread here describing why you CANT USE MODERN FACTORY AMMO IN THEM BECAUSE IT DAMAGES THE GAS SYSTEM!?

AKs and SKS are great with examples of rifles that were built around the gas system. they are not picky with ammo, they don't need adjustable gas systems and all ammo feeds in most of them.

the piston driven AR15 is a great example of a system that was built around a rifle and these ARE picky when it comes to ammo, are generally LESS accurate than DI equivalents, and many do require fine tuning the gas system each time you switch ammo types in order to function reliably.

in a military environment where everyone shoots the same load and spray and pray is more important than sub MOA accuracy, the piston AR is a great idea, to civilians, it is horrible.
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Old October 12, 2013, 08:38 PM   #30
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in a military environment where everyone shoots the same load and spray and pray is more important than sub MOA accuracy, the piston AR is a great idea, to civilians, it is horrible.
???????????????????

This is what I was talking about in my first post on this thread. Seriously, what? Just because you write this stuff doesn't make it true. I get half inche groups at 100 yards all day long with almost anything I run through my Ruger piston AR. My gun shipped with the piston setting on #2 and I've NEVER played with it because the thousand plus rounds I've run through never required me to. I have a hard time not correcting BS and myths but maybe I should just ignore it? If people want to live with their heads in the sand thats ok with me...but you cant post false info on a message board and expect nobody to correct you. Piston systems are horrible?......are you joking around here??? LOL
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Old October 12, 2013, 10:38 PM   #31
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and you cant expect your experience with a single rifle with less than 1000 rounds through it as a true definition of millions of rifles and dozens of models. your one SR556 may not have any of those problems but there have been several threads of TFL alone regarding this problem and I recall at least two that dealt with the SR556 specifically, try the search function it's a powerful tool.

some higher end models don't have these problems but the majority of us do not have the money to drop $3200 on a HK 416(or whatever the civilian version is). I have a DPMS sportical that is sub MOA and has never jammed once, that does not mean that DPMS is the best brand of AR out there.
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Old October 12, 2013, 10:46 PM   #32
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AKs have chrome-lined barrels. Proper ones atleast.

I need more popcorn, lets keep it going this guys posts are hilarious.
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Old October 13, 2013, 08:53 AM   #33
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Tahuunua001 is right. Trust me coming from owning the Hk. It is one of the best piston systems out there, but it isn't worth it to 99.9% of the buyers. Mine are sub MOA with good ammo and has less muzzle rise than most other AR's I have shot. It does come with downfalls. They are heavy and the recoil is straight back but a lot sharper than any DI gun I have ever shot. I love mine and they are the centerpieces of my AR collections. But I am the first to tell others to buy a decent DI gun rather than close to $3k for the MR556 or $5k for a 416 upper. Even though the Marines have adopted a version of the 416(M27 IAR) to replace ($23.6 million) worth of M249's . The grunts in the sand still use Colt and FN's. I have a feeling this will only change with a new platform, not a modified one.

I still tell people to buy a DD,Colt,PSA,LMT,LaRue.etc. it will be a much better rifle for the money.

Although I agree about precision and chrome linings. Nitriding and other coatings are showing their benefits. Chrome linings are made to sustain full auto fire and keep from damaging the barrel as bad. It has been the standard for decades and why fix it if it ain't broken. If a chrome lined barrel does the job, why replace it. The newer coating haven't proven their gruff to the military so they stick with what has worked.it would cost a lot of money to switch out the equipment that chrome lines to machines that use other coatings...
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Old October 13, 2013, 09:20 PM   #34
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I get half inche groups at 100 yards all day long with almost anything I run through my Ruger piston AR.
How many shots do you consider a group? 3 or 5 is what most go with, I am not trying to call you a liar, but I would have to see that to believe it. If your SR556 will consistently shoot 3-5 round 1/2" groups @100 yds you may be the luckiest SR556 owner out there because I don't believe any other SR556 owner is reporting accuracy like that.
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