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Old September 6, 2013, 04:57 AM   #26
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I need some advice to choose between 2 guns.

The thing about all calibers being equal is a rumor that is not true.
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Old September 6, 2013, 04:58 AM   #27
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I need some advice to choose between 2 guns.


I forgot this.
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Old September 6, 2013, 08:20 AM   #28
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I would probably go with the xd9 as well, however can you get hollow points where you are? If not that may change things.
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Old September 6, 2013, 09:29 AM   #29
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The thing about all calibers being equal is a rumor that is not true.
Somebody always brings out that picture during every caliber debate...

Sure, one might make a little bigger channel in ballistics gel, but when it comes to real-world effects on the human body there is basically zero difference between 9mm, .40, and .45.

It constantly amazes me how many people think that by carrying a .45 or .40 they have some big advantage in "stopping power". Well, they don't. Ask any surgeon; they can't tell the difference without recovering the bullet.
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Old September 6, 2013, 11:28 AM   #30
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Lol, so now the 10mm has nuclear capabilities???
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Old September 6, 2013, 02:25 PM   #31
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Just a small reminder that this OP is trying to choose between guns & that this thread need not develop into a caliber war.
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Old September 6, 2013, 03:22 PM   #32
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Neither!

Glock for reliability, or a quality 1911 if you are one of those (i just dont like glock due to grip angle people).

I compete with a GLOCK 17C and E.D.C. A glock19 and for work a full size 1911
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Old September 7, 2013, 12:15 AM   #33
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whatever you choose DONT get a taurus judge for the love of GOD.
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Old September 7, 2013, 12:26 AM   #34
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Pistols are a lot easier to carry around than shotguns.

As to caliber: Have you ever heard of someone volunteering to be shot by a 9mm?
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Old September 7, 2013, 01:05 AM   #35
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Pistols are a lot easier to carry around than shotguns.

As to caliber: Have you ever heard of someone volunteering to be shot by a 9mm?
Which takes higher priority? Ease of carry, or surviving a car jacking?

When it comes to the type of thing he's describing, he'd only have a few precious seconds to react.

With a pistol he has to retrieve it, ready it for firing, and place the shots accurately. In a high stress situation like that, his instinctive reaction will be to try and hide or run away while fending off his attacker by blasting wildly with the pistol(which is why there were so many 9mm rounds fired in the scenario he described).

With a sawed off SG, he has to retrieve it, point it in the general direction of his attacker and pull one of the triggers, not much aiming required. Not that difficult to carry it in the car, with the right setup it could be made more accessible than a pistol.

I don't see any reason he can't have both, the SOSG in the car, and the pistol concealed on his person.
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Old September 7, 2013, 01:22 AM   #36
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point it in the general direction of his attacker and pull one of the triggers, not much aiming required.
A sawed-off shotgun still requires aiming; the pattern is nowhere near as wide as people seem to think.

I shot my buddy's 6.5" barrel 12 ga. Serbu Super-Shorty (the Mossberg 500 version) and I still had to aim it. We were shooting 00 Buck at about 5 yards and the pattern was only several inches wide.

As to the OP's question, I'd go with the XD-9. It's easier to shoot well than the SD40 VE (or the SD9 VE) and it's more portable than a shotgun, even a short-barreled one.
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Old September 7, 2013, 11:54 AM   #37
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I think I'd do my own testing before I staked my life on "my buddies gun".
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Old September 7, 2013, 01:13 PM   #38
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I think I'd do my own testing before I staked my life on "my buddies gun".
I'm not sure what you mean. I'm just saying that in my experience a really short shotgun barrel doesn't spread that much more than a longer one. I'm not staking my life on my buddies gun, I just shot it and noticed how it grouped with 00 buckshot.
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Old September 7, 2013, 01:31 PM   #39
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I'd go with the HS2000 - better gun and easier to find (and just as effective) caliber.
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Old September 7, 2013, 05:30 PM   #40
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I'm not sure what you mean. I'm just saying that in my experience a really short shotgun barrel doesn't spread that much more than a longer one. I'm not staking my life on my buddies gun, I just shot it and noticed how it grouped with 00 buckshot.
I was telling the OP that he should do some testing to see what is most effective for his situation, since he seems to feel that he's in danger where he is.

It didn't have anything to do with your lack of experience with SOSGs.
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Old September 7, 2013, 05:34 PM   #41
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Ahhh, I was so confused!
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Old September 7, 2013, 06:26 PM   #42
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Definitely the XD. If concealability is not a great concern, the Tactical model with a 5" barrel, if available, will give better terminal ballistics with 9mm ammo. You didn't mention anything about ammo availability, but if it were available I'd get some Win. Ranger 127 gr. +P+ loads. From a 5" barrel you won't give up much in comparison to .40 S&W ballistics while having greater capacity. I don't know squat about the laws down there, but because of the widespread use of 9mm, ammo should be available one way or the other. Another thing, if you find it necessary, the XD's trigger can be greatly improved by installing a trigger kit from http://powderriverprecision.com/ it's not very difficult to install if you have a reasonable degree of mechanical aptitude. But since the XD is coming directly from Croatia, it may not have the heavier Ultra Safety Assurance trigger anyway. The HS-2000 pistols that were originally imported into the US had excellent triggers before Springfield Armory lawyered them up with the USA trigger.
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Old September 7, 2013, 08:11 PM   #43
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Go with the XD, it's a better gun, and no matter what country you are in 9mm should be more available. 9mm is used by military forces around the world far more than .40, I also prefer 9mm over .40 anyway. Good luck and be safe.
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Old September 7, 2013, 10:42 PM   #44
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Old September 10, 2013, 05:22 AM   #45
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Old September 10, 2013, 07:45 AM   #46
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Another vote for the HS2000 (XD) in 9MM. The caliber is fine, and that is a better pistol than the Sigma.

I hope they are paying you a lot.
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Old September 20, 2013, 05:33 PM   #47
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XD9

Hey Guys, thanks to everybody for helping me decide. Finally today I got the HS9-XD9.
I bought an extra magazine and some Magtech Guardian Gold 115Gr JHP 9mm +P.
Gun holds 18+1 with the Mecgar magazine, I attached some pictures.
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Old September 20, 2013, 08:02 PM   #48
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There is not much ammo options here, I bought some Magtech 9mm +P 115 Gr JHP and also some Russian cheap ammo for practice with the gun. The magtech is the best they had.
The trigger in the croatian version probably doesnt has the USA mechanism because it feels really smooth, I compared it to the Glock and the pull fell lighter.
Maybe its because of my lack of experience or maybe its because its a military pistol that it feels a little different. Also when you lock the slide and then release the slide you feel a tremendous push from the slide, way way stronger than the Glock I was comparing with. The recoil spring is very strong, Maybe because its new, but it feels like a tank compared to the other taurus, akdal.. etc they had
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Old October 18, 2013, 05:37 PM   #49
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If I had to choose, I'd got with the XD for the same price. Extra mags sound like a MUST. Good luck, man. Stay safe.
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Old October 20, 2013, 10:53 AM   #50
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I never cared for XD's...The SD40VE is a good bang for your buck however I would look for a Glock or M&P...I like 9mm more but would feel more comfy with the extra punch of the 40 in such a rough place.
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