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Old August 31, 2013, 07:38 AM   #26
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it IS that mythical "collective right" all the anti-gunners were so sure (pre-Heller) the 2nd Amendment protected.
Precisely. For those of us who serious students of Soviet and other totalitarian regimes, their legal systems and constitutions recognized practically all the rights we have and cherish. The Soviet constitution guaranteed freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion. Their constitution simply collectivized all those rights with: "Enjoyment by citizens of their rights and freedoms must not be to the detriment of the interests of society or the state, or infringe the rights of other citizens. "

Collectivizing rights logically and historically negates them.

I was a long time admirer and supporter of the ACLU. It is one thing that they supporter Miller, that was just bad, real bad. But their post Heller assertion that the second was still a collective right was utterly obscene, hypocritical and craven.

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Old August 31, 2013, 02:46 PM   #27
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I suppose for your everyday local LEO that isn't really surprising. Where are they going to be taught that? I doubt they teach it much at the police academy; it wouldn't be considered a priority compared to keeping peace and order and catching bad guys. Perhaps some of the LEOs here could comment on that?
Law school is typically 3 years. LEO's aren't tranformed into lawyers in a 16 week academy while they're also learning radio procedures, traffic stop and building search tacitcs and how to write reports.

I'm not so concerned about what young LE recruits don't learn at the academy as much as I am at what young people are not learning in high school before they ever get to the LE academy.
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Old September 1, 2013, 10:22 PM   #28
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But of course the FEDS had a lot of time on their hands after prohibition. That's why they came up with the Federal Kidnapping Act 18 U.S.C. ยง 1201(a)(1) which was intended to let federal authorities step in and pursue kidnappers once they had crossed state lines with their victim. They could load up a whole car full of agents and run willy nilly about the country stopping at one auto court after another in the pursuit of justice.
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Old September 4, 2013, 10:07 AM   #29
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Law school is typically 3 years. LEO's aren't tranformed into lawyers in a 16 week academy while they're also learning radio procedures, traffic stop and building search tacitcs and how to write reports.
Neither are attorneys, for that matter. Newly minted attorneys are as unqualified to practice constitutional law as infants are to change their own diapers.

Fact is, just like most reasonably difficult jobs, both LEO's and attorneys require significant OJT before they can be considered even reasonably competent.
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Old September 4, 2013, 12:01 PM   #30
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shocking ignorance

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Neither are attorneys, for that matter. Newly minted attorneys are as unqualified to practice constitutional law as infants are to change their own diapers.

Fact is, just like most reasonably difficult jobs, both LEO's and attorneys require significant OJT before they can be considered even reasonably competent.
Except even after significant on the job training, police officers are still not qualified to give much legal advice. The same cannot be said for attorneys.

Yet all too often, people seek police officers for just such a question.
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Old September 4, 2013, 04:12 PM   #31
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Federal laws do in fact control firearms & their sale, manufacture, possession etc.
This is not worded correctly. Federal laws do in fact control firearms & their sale, manufacture, possession etc.

Federal Firearms Laws control who may not possess firearms. The provide regulation for the manufacture and sale as it relates to interstate commerce.

They provide classifications of different weapons/firearms and enforce restrictions on those.

But they do not as a whole in it's entirety control firearms.
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