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Old August 14, 2013, 01:09 AM   #26
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The only other option would be to shoot it with a bean bag round or in the butt with a pellet gun. I'd prefer to make the cat die. The state is now hiring professional hunters and trappers to fix the problem that they caused by messing with the game laws but that's still n not keeping big cats out of the cities...

I knew an old gunsmith (now off to the happy hunting grounds) that told me the way to bring down a big cat was to let you dogs tree it and then shoot it through the lungs with a .22 short. The idea was to make the animal bleed out but not be hurt so much that it would bolt and run. He said that a cat shot with a big rifle could run a couple miles before it would expire. Anyway old Ferdinand said that after about a half hour the cat would pass out and fall out of the tree...

So I did miss speak when I said gut shoot but rather a low powered wound that would let the cat expire elsewhere relatively soon.

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Old August 14, 2013, 05:06 AM   #27
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I hear some guys in my area talking about shooting hogs with .22's so they go off to die somewhere in the woods. I just don't think I would like to do that to anything. I shoot a lot of hogs, coons, etc.... but I want to do it humanely.
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Old August 14, 2013, 08:45 AM   #28
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Big predators in strange places

Mtn Lions are not small and while I'm not mortally afraid of them I will not dismiss them as a threat. .357 and up is sufficient I'd think.
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Old August 14, 2013, 09:07 AM   #29
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Let's get back to what's seen, not how it's shot...
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Old August 15, 2013, 06:15 PM   #30
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Mountain lions really keep away from people, but sick or injured ones love to eat household pets and livestock. Rare but it happens. My small kids play outside about a million hours per year.
The bears in AZ really seem to be getting acclimated to the population. Lot's of examples including one in downtown Kingman last year.
The bigger problem in my opinion (and in my part of rural AZ) is idiots who drive out of town and dump their unwanted dogs. Not the dogs fault of course. Most are just hungry/thirsty and friendly. Some aren't. Groups of wild or semi wild dogs can be a problem for livestock and sometimes people, specially little kids. That kind of brings ammo capacity into play.
Sick coyotes are out there, I've had (the old 36 shot series) rabies shots to verify that.

All of those things are pretty rare. Use of a firearm in self defense is rare too but we walk in a prepared manner.

My rescued shepard mix doesn't let anything within 100 yards of the house without letting us know what's up. And she'd die before she'd let something hurt the little ones. You can't buy that kind of 24 hour security for a million bucks.


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Old August 15, 2013, 06:44 PM   #31
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I saw your other thread, recoil is very subjective.

You had grown men respond that in the thread that shotgun recoil is harsh. Of course he also said shotguns are for people who can't shoot : ) and recomended an AR. Go figure.

My Dear Old Mom is half past 76 yrs with arthritus, 4'-10". She has no beef with her 12 ga. 1100, 00 buck, with the short barrel. May have to go to something different when she hit's 80, don't know. Pretty decent choice for anything in her yard.

I also agree with the recomendations for a pistol caliber carbine. Lever action .357 or .44 will deal with any defensive threats I'm aware of in AZ. And I don't live in Georgia : )

As long as she's familiar with it and runs it regularly, good to go.


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Old August 16, 2013, 08:19 PM   #32
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I didn't see it in the flesh, but I have seen big cat prints around Akron Ohio. Last fall I saw the prints while rabbit hunting. The print was as big as the palm of my hand. My sis in law works for the parks and when she said that to the rangers, they said there are mountain lions in the parks eating deer. There are so many deer here, they could eat a 1000 and never notice it. What will be interesting is what will occur when the park districts start really thinning the deer out this fall. They intend to reduce the numbers by at least 50 %

20 years ago there was a BIG cat wandering the neighborhood. The footprints were around the house, around the pasture by our horses and the horses kept looking into the woods. A few years later my son found lots of bone piles in the woods behind our house (deer). The PD caught a picture of "something" big running across the road one night.

We are also having beer wander in from Pa. Ohio is pretty heavily populated and it is different for them to come here. Not odd, just different.

I was also told by a retired LEO that there was a pack of hybrid wolf dogs running the area.
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Old August 16, 2013, 08:37 PM   #33
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We are also having beer wander in from Pa.
Would that be Yuengling? Man, I need to come out there and hunt some of those!
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Old August 19, 2013, 08:59 AM   #34
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My buddy sent me a picture of a small black bear sitting on his porch roof. He lives next door to the Vineland, NJ public library. Vineland is fairly rural for NJ but still we have 100k people living in 60 sq miles. Library is in center city, the most densely populated area. Oh, yeh. Bears are not in S. NJ. No one told the bear.
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Old September 11, 2013, 11:53 PM   #35
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Black bear walked into a subway in whisler bc and helped its self to the subs
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Old September 12, 2013, 07:58 AM   #36
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That almost sounds like the first line of a joke. A bear walks into a restaurant and...

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Old September 12, 2013, 10:49 AM   #37
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This seems to have gone beyond utility.
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