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Old August 12, 2013, 09:13 AM   #1
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Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine

Thinking about picking one up on Gunbroker. Any first hand experience with them? Is this a better choice them finding a WWII rifle? My local Cabelas has a 4-5 of them in the gun library starting at 1.699.00

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=359118166
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Old August 12, 2013, 10:55 AM   #2
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I don't know that seems like a bunch of bucks for a non GI carbine.
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Old August 12, 2013, 02:01 PM   #3
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If you want a shooter the AO is just fine but obviously will not have the value of a GI. Buying surplus you can bet the rifle will have been rebuilt at least once and even if original barrel/receiver all the rest of the parts will be what ever came out of the solvent barrel....but it was made during WWII and who knows where it has been?
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Old August 13, 2013, 10:41 AM   #4
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$1700 for a clone? Ouch.

I think I would be looking for a good USGI (maybe former CMP) carbine. The USGI will have history, and it will be probably me made better as well.
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Old August 13, 2013, 11:20 AM   #5
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This one is for sale in CA. There is another on there looks new for $650

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ght=M1+Carbine
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Old August 13, 2013, 07:48 PM   #6
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I love mine but there's no way I'd pay $1700 for one. I got mine for just under $700 otd which is less than any usgi carbines I saw at gun shows and gunstores. It was a jamomatic until I threw away the magazine that came with it and replaced it with some 30 rounders I bought at a gun show. After getting new mags and shooting a couple hundred rounds it just doesn't jam at all anymore and it's very accurate for a carbine once I replaced the rear site with an adjustable one for $25. The best thing about it is I don't have to treat it like an antique.
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Old August 13, 2013, 09:38 PM   #7
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Years back we'd head out to the BLM range and my oldest daughter would load three thirty round magazines up put one in the gun and one in her back pockets shoot them up and do it all over again. Used to lay a old sheet on the ground to catch the brass.
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Old August 13, 2013, 09:50 PM   #8
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I think he means Cabela's has GI guns for $1700.......
The AO gun is GI-spec and is brand new. Depends on if you want a WW2 gun or a new gun that is much cheaper.
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Old August 13, 2013, 10:12 PM   #9
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You can get a WWII Inland for about half that price and you'll be owning a peice of history.
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Old August 14, 2013, 03:25 PM   #10
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RIP off !!! no non GI carbine is worth that price. IMO no 30 carbine is worth that price.
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Old August 14, 2013, 09:59 PM   #11
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I think a real carbine with a folding stock might cost as much.
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Old August 14, 2013, 10:05 PM   #12
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I see them going for nearly $3k in non rebuilt condition.
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Old August 15, 2013, 02:36 AM   #13
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JustinBiscuit: I had read nothing about them before I bought one. You might read the description of what happened with my brand-new AO Carbine in late '08. All ammo was factory Remington from Bass Pro.
It is under the topic "What was your first semi-auto rifle"? This never happened to the very used Mini 14, the 30 or the Chinese SKS. I'll take a so-called "Commie junk" SKS any day over an AO carbine.

While the gun was getting the free factory repair, with no explanation of what happened to the bolt, I saw an authentic GI Carbine in a gun store. As soon as the bolt was cycled a couple of times, it was very clear how much stronger and durable the action was in the real, GI rifle.

I should have spent my money on an authentic Carbine, and for less money than the sorry AO cost in '07.
You realize that with a little paperwork, you can buy a nice Service Grade Garand from the CMP for about $650, and after several weeks, shipped to your door? No C&R required at all. The CMP's M2 Ball ammo is .50/rd. and reloadable.

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Old August 15, 2013, 08:18 AM   #14
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Hey, look a that! The link you've posted, the price is now BIN $745!

I'm pretty sure he didn't/doesn't know much about it, especially if he spells is "Auto-Ordanance"...
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Old August 15, 2013, 08:25 AM   #15
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The CMP ran out of carbines a long time ago. Just because you got a lemon doesn't make all AO carbines junk. People love to trash Marlin leverguns too but I've never had a problem with my 1895 either . That's why I don't let one persons bad experience prevent me from buying a product I like even if they can tell how strong an action is just by cycling the bolt a couple of times lmao.

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Old August 16, 2013, 02:00 PM   #16
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I wish I had never bought my AO carbine. It was shooting fine, then not so fine, then seldom worked. And all this in 100 rounds, using several old and new magazines.

The bolt will not lock up while driving a cartridge into the chamber. I changed the recoil spring and it made no difference.

The hammer hits the back of the bolt but not in the slot that contains the back of the firing pin. This is because the bolt hasn't quite rotated into full lockup. I now have a bolt and hammer that have peened each other.

So it is going to go back and I will find out what the AO service is like.

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Old August 16, 2013, 02:40 PM   #17
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Come on, guys- READ the thread! The OP didn't say the A/O guns were $1700! BTW- the A/O is exactly the same as a GI gun, so the difference Ignition Override "saw" was imaginary. Perhaps the old carbine was worn in, but the actions are exactly the same.
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Old August 17, 2013, 12:27 PM   #18
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I'm reluctant to buy anything made by Auto-Ordnance. Admittedly, I do have an IAI which had its rear sight fall off. It now sports an Ultimak rail for an optical sight.

There's a picture of the rail at this TFL link: Here
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Old August 18, 2013, 11:00 AM   #19
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I'm convinced the people putting down the AO carbine just don't know what they're doing and didn't even break the thing in or try different mags before declaring it junk and having a hissy fit on the internet. Cheap SKS's and wasr's are perfect for those guys.
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Old August 18, 2013, 03:39 PM   #20
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I've had my AO carbine for about 4 years. Have been quite satisfied with it. It's not a 'real' one but it shoots fine and was no where near the price of a military gun. I have no complaints about it. They're going for between $500 and $600 NIB around here.
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Old August 19, 2013, 12:13 AM   #21
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Bill,
The two AO/Kahr M1 Carbines I had here were not "exactly" the same as the genuine military M1 carbines & were not mil-spec.
Cast bolt, cast receiver, etc.

The first was not at all reliable, the second ran fine.
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Old August 19, 2013, 11:19 AM   #22
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I thought those looked to be cast, shame they didn't do a nice job like Ruger does with some of their cast stuff.
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Old August 19, 2013, 11:28 AM   #23
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They did the guns the way they did to keep 'em low enough in price to encourage people to buy 'em.
That involved "shortcuts" in manufacturing methods.

I don't say this to knock the guns, just to advise prospective buyers that they are not mil-spec & not the "exact" same as a GI carbine.
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Old August 19, 2013, 12:17 PM   #24
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I never had a auto ordnance carbine but I would pay just a bit more and get a G.I. one for the historical and collector value in them. They function great even after all these years and will only go up in value over the years.
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Old August 19, 2013, 01:35 PM   #25
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I guess "Mil Spec"wasn't the correct term.
They take GI parts.
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