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Old July 29, 2013, 02:25 PM   #1
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the .32 lever action is back

A buddy just sent me a link, marlin is making a lever action rifle in 32hr mag again!

Im very excited about it, i wanted a .32 caliber lever action rifle for years.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear...4_32Magnum.asp

i just hope it doesnt come with micro rifling!!
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Old July 29, 2013, 03:11 PM   #2
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i just hope it doesnt come with micro rifling!!
The link says that it comes with 6-groove rifling, and 6-groove ain't microgroove.

I'd rather see it in .327 Federal, but .32 H&R ain't bad.
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Old July 29, 2013, 03:46 PM   #3
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Yes, I also think they made a mistake by not chambering for .327. Would have then been a multi-caliber gun.
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Old July 29, 2013, 03:56 PM   #4
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Mistake by not making it .327 Federal.

It would have been able to fire .32 H&R and the more powerful .327 federal.

Who wouldn't rather have that option?
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Old July 29, 2013, 08:02 PM   #5
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I think the pressure of the .327 is too high for the marlin 1894.
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Old July 29, 2013, 10:48 PM   #6
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The pressures are higher in the .327 federal. I think they are 45,000 lbf/in2 in the .327 and 36,000 lbf/in2 in the .44 rem magnum, which is chambered in the marlin 1894. However, I would estimate that the actual bolt thrust, in pounds, from the .327 would be less than the .44 mag. The other consideration would be the hoop stress on the barrel in the chamber area, but the barrel metal would be thicker with the .327.

I think it is easy to ream out a .32 H&R chamber to .327. The conversion would also require that you elongate the loading port in the tubular magazine. Whether the existing lifter would work with the longer .327, I don't know, but it is interesting to speculate. Do we have any mechanical engineers/machinists here?
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Old July 30, 2013, 04:40 AM   #7
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I'd rather see it in 32-20.
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Old July 30, 2013, 06:02 AM   #8
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"I'd rather see it in 32-20."

Same here.

A few weeks ago I missed out on a Marlin slide action in .32-20 was was sorely disappointed.
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Old July 30, 2013, 06:36 AM   #9
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sure... just my luck... I haven't shot any CASS this year, just been too busy... but last year I got a 45 Colt lever, so my rig all shoots 45 Colt ( before I used a 38 / 357 lever ) so I bought a 2nd Single Six in 32 Mag for MRS. & figured she could use my 38 / 357, since I now had the 45 Colt lever... my thoughts, I'd never get a lever gun in 32 Mag, so I had the chance to trade my 5.7 for a pair of Vaquero's in 357, & MRS could then shoot with her rig in 38's... now if I were to pick up a new Marlin lever in 32... I'd have 3 complete CASS set ups... but MRS would prefer the 32's... so...

looks like I'll be on the look out for a new Marlin 32 Mag lever gun
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Old July 30, 2013, 07:41 AM   #10
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So, million dollar question, which one of the gunsmith types on here is gonna buy a .32 and recut it to .327?
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Old July 30, 2013, 10:27 AM   #11
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.32H&R to .327 mag.

It's been done; not sure why they didn't go that route in the 1st place though since as said above I'd imagine the .357 and .44 are harder on parts compared to the .327. Perhaps the .32 models aren't built to the same specs?

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...finally-did-it
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Old July 30, 2013, 10:42 AM   #12
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It would appear that Remington has found a way to get that pesky Marlin 39A line moving again- chamber them in .32. Brilliant! I thought of the Winchester .32 Special right off the bat, but these might find a place in my levergun rack.
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Old July 30, 2013, 10:45 AM   #13
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the pressure of the .327 is too high for the standard 1894.

you can get decent power ouf of the 32 hr mag if you reload though.
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Old July 30, 2013, 10:57 AM   #14
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I have a brand new 1990's era Cowboy limited, Marlin made a small run in .32-20 with a 20" octagon barrel. Love that cartridge!
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Old July 30, 2013, 11:10 AM   #15
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Slip-tube loading a centerfire just ain't right.

Agreed that it should stand the pressure (bolt thrust) of a .327 Ruger, getting it to feed through the action will be the trick.
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Old July 30, 2013, 11:37 AM   #16
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Slip-tube loading a centerfire just ain't right.
agreed, thats the reason why i never bought a henry center fire...

I will buy one anyway because i have no idea when ill get the chance to buy a new .32 lever action rifle again and slip tube loading has advantages.
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Old July 30, 2013, 02:26 PM   #17
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The Marlin link says they are aiming at Cowboy Action Shooters, for whom the .327 would offer no advantages.
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Old July 31, 2013, 12:53 AM   #18
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Idiots. Chambering it for .327 Federal would have sold at least several thousand more rifles.



As for the bolt thrust and chamber pressure discussion. Here are some estimates from a previous discussion about .327 Federal's potential in lever guns and the Ruger 77/22H:

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The .327 Federal runs 45,000 psi.
The .44 Mag runs 36,000 psi.
The .357 Mag runs 35,000 psi.
The .22 Hornet runs 45,000 psi (same as .327 Federal).
The 5mm Remington Mag runs 33,000 psi (quite high for a rimfire).
And, for comparison, the .22 WMR runs 24,000 psi.


Bolt thrust with those cartridges would be:
.327 Federal - 4,970 lbs
.44 Mag - 7,469 lbs
.357 Mag - 5,321 lbs
.22 Hornet - 4,329 lbs
5mm Rem - 2,720 lbs
.22 WMR - 1,673 lbs

Force exerted on the chamber walls would be approximately:
.327 Federal - 47,642 lbs
.44 mag - 51,685 lbs
.357 Mag - 41,673 lbs
.22 Hornet - 50,893 lbs
5mm Rem - 21,480 lbs
.22 WMR - 6,040 lbs

The .44 Mag exceeds the .327 Federal in both regards, and .327 nearly matches the .22 Hornet [across the board].
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Old July 31, 2013, 05:37 AM   #19
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I would think Marlin has some reasoning for their decision concerning .32 mag. only. Perhaps loading problems could present themselves, sort of like running .38's through a .357 lever? Some seem to do well at it, but some don't.
I for one, love the 32/20, but the .327 seems to fall into that hunter's area as too big for squirrels and too small for any big game. I guess a guy could always make an argument for it, but not me.
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Old July 31, 2013, 12:23 PM   #20
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I have one of the 32 mag marlins and like it but not as much as my 357 and 44 mags. With an 85gr bullet I can get a little over 1900fps and a 100gr bullet gets a little over 1600fps with max loads of Hogdon L'il Gun.

I doubt that any bullets on the market would stand up to the extra velocity that you would get from the 327 mag. Besides if this is aimed at the cowboy shooting crowd I don't think anyone is shooting single actions in 327 mag so a matching rifle isn't needed.

I am glad to see the Marlin line running again. Now if I could get a 357 in stainless steel I would be happy.
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Old July 31, 2013, 07:20 PM   #21
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They are obviously sold out after one day because the link says they are UNOBTAIIUM. Better luck in your dreams I guess. I would have loved to buy one. Back to my Mosin which I can load from 32 S&W short loads to full house loads with black powder in between at 1\10 the cost of the rifle.
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Old August 1, 2013, 12:30 AM   #22
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They are obviously sold out after one day because the link says they are UNOBTAIIUM. Better luck in your dreams I guess. I would have loved to buy one. Back to my Mosin which I can load from 32 S&W short loads to full house loads with black powder in between at 1\10 the cost of the rifle.
GoG/Davidson's hasn't added the model to their database, yet. So, my guess is that they aren't even close to getting their first shipment.
Keep your eyes open, they may show up eventually....
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Old August 1, 2013, 11:29 PM   #23
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32 caliber

I would like to see a 32 Special revived
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Old August 4, 2013, 10:32 AM   #24
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Sorry folks. A call to Marlin reveals this doesn't exist bad or old link. Said they wish it'd be re-introduced as they get plenty of calls for. Also, all other caliber 1894s postponed to 2014.
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Old August 4, 2013, 11:01 AM   #25
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i dont get it....
bad link? whats that supposed to mean?
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