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Old June 4, 2013, 01:51 PM   #1
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Want to get your take on an AOW argument.

So I stumbled across a video on Youtube that pertained to the Draco pistol.

Long story short They had installed MI Rails and had a magpul AFG on it. A pistol with a foregrip becomes an AOW, now if its a properly licensed AOW no issue but it wasn't mentioned in the video what so ever. So for the sake of keeping people out of prison and trouble with the ATF I mentioned that in the comments.

I got the usual screaming name calling death threats and what not.

But one person said he didnt feel that a AFG qualified as a 'foregrip.' I totally disagree 100% but I thought I would ask here to satisfy my curiosity.
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Old June 4, 2013, 02:51 PM   #2
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But one person said he didnt feel that a AFG qualified as a 'foregrip.' I totally disagree 100% but I thought I would ask here to satisfy my curiosity.
The actual wording is "vertical foregrip." The AFG isn't really "vertical." That said, the ATF hasn't put in their two cents yet.
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Old June 4, 2013, 03:39 PM   #3
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the ATF hasn't put in their two cents yet
and THAT is really what counts. If the AFT declares a 40 degree angle to fall within the definition of vertical, then that's what it is--until a court decides otherwise.

risk-reward analysis applies here, I would think.
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Old June 4, 2013, 08:23 PM   #4
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https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0qy...zUx/edit?hl=en

Page 3, last question/answer is directly on point.

http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/atf-afg.jpg
The question directly asked to the ATF. Basically, an AFG is not a vertical foregrip.
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Old June 4, 2013, 10:51 PM   #5
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The question directly asked to the ATF. Basically, an AFG is not a vertical foregrip.
Great find! I was unaware they'd issued an opinion on that.
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Old June 5, 2013, 05:24 AM   #6
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Yes, as far as I know it is legal to have the Angled ForeGrip, but not a Vertical ForeGrip of any kind. I made sure of that, and the preceeding documents above definitively confirms this.

Which is why I have the Magpul AFG on my Draco AK.
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Old June 5, 2013, 07:48 AM   #7
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Lots of open class pistols in the Bianchi cup use an angled forward bar with a flat on the bottom as a finger grasp. If those don't count as a vertical foregrips I doubt that anyone could ever consider the angled thing from magpul a vertical foregrip.
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Old June 20, 2013, 01:00 PM   #8
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I'd never put any kind of forward grip on my Draco. Way too easy to have legal issues. They'd seem like it'd just get in the way anyways. Got a red dot for a dust cover mount awaiting to be installed and gonna get a single point sling.
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Old June 20, 2013, 06:55 PM   #9
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WV_gunner I'd never put any kind of forward grip on my Draco. Way too easy to have legal issues....
Did you not read the post above with a link to the ATF ruling?
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Old June 20, 2013, 07:31 PM   #10
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And the ATF is always so clear on their rules and never changed their mind. And with my luck, I'd run into a cop that knows about the vertical grip thing but not the ATF ruling on a specific product. I'll make the arresting officer reads the link to the ATF ruling.
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Old June 20, 2013, 09:44 PM   #11
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The question has been answered, and this is veering into bickering. Let's close this on a high note.
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