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Old May 24, 2013, 12:28 PM   #1
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Help me figure out how this happened

If things happened the way they are reporting it this has got to be the freakiest gun accident of the year.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1345578

I would love to figure out how this could happen. The report says the gun was a revolver and all I can think of is that the cloth of the guy's shorts must have snagged on the hammer and pulled it back far enough that when the hammer came loose it had enough force to fire the shot.

I'd love to have confirmation of the gun model and if he had it in a pocket holster and if so what make and model of holster.

Anyone else see another possibility?
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Old May 24, 2013, 02:13 PM   #2
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Possible. However, we only have the news story to tell us it was really a revolver. You know how reliable they are. It could have easily been an autoloader for all we really know.
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Old May 24, 2013, 02:19 PM   #3
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Maybe I'm just cynical, but I'm betting that there's more to the story. As in "every bowling alley I've ever been in served beer . . . "
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Old May 24, 2013, 03:23 PM   #4
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The only thing I can think of is an old, poorly made revolver with no firing pin or drop bar safety that was loaded with the hammer cocked. I can't imagine it pulling the trigger
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Old May 24, 2013, 04:08 PM   #5
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Spats it did occur to me that maybe there is more to it then what anyone is letting on. I almost forgot about the beer though.

The only other revolver that comes to mind that might do this is maybe one of those derringer types without a trigger guard, if it was cocked. Which if it was one of those and he had it cocked loose in his pocket, he was begging for a hole in his body somewhere.
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Old May 24, 2013, 04:12 PM   #6
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Beer + bowling ball + pocket = Plaxico-Burress-like scenario?

No, I guess that one doesn't work for someone whose fingers are attached to a bowling ball... but I'd bet that beer played a role in this. And the bowling ball might not have...

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Old May 24, 2013, 04:13 PM   #7
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Y'all think he's the "only one in the bowling alley trained enough to handle that pistol?"
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Old May 24, 2013, 04:24 PM   #8
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About the only way I can think of for this to happen without some, shall we say, stupefieing circumstances would be if he were carrying an older revolver of dubious quality that didn't have a well-designed transfer-bar or hammer-block safety. In that case, I could see him possibly striking the hammer with enough force to discharge the gun. Really though, I'm inclined to agree with others that there's probably more to the story that we haven't heard.
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Old May 24, 2013, 08:15 PM   #9
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Depending on how old the revolver is there is a possibility that there was no hammer block or transfer bar style system. I remember hearing my dad and grandpa talk about revolvers that went off when they were dropped. The hammer would hit a solid object and the firing pin would be pushed forward with enough force to set off a round. I was about 10 when a kid down the street from me was killed because a loaded revolver was dropped on a front porch.
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Old May 24, 2013, 08:45 PM   #10
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I much prefer this story. He had said revolver in his pocket without a holster. Threw his keys in the same pocket. He was cocking and unlocking his revolver feeling all cool and secret, cocked it, got called to bowl, keys got tangled in trigger, ball hit pocket, gun went bang....maybe?

You see, any other story requires star alignments which are unheard of, but being a dipwad with a loaded gun is quite common.

He could have also decided since he carries his Glock cocked & unlocked that he should do the same with his revolver.

I'm sure the truth will never be known because the truth would make him financially and criminally liable. Better to blame the gun.

Hey dipwad! That is what holsters are for!
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Old May 24, 2013, 08:47 PM   #11
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I was about 10 when a kid down the street from me was killed because a loaded revolver was dropped on a front porch.
ARE YOU SURE? Seems like a way to avoid jail time for a ND.
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Old May 25, 2013, 08:42 AM   #12
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"mark it zero!"

It's the main stream media, in New York no less. "The evil gun went off on its own, with magic" is all that will ever be reported. Don't blame the person, blame the tool has sadly become the norm.
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Old May 25, 2013, 08:49 AM   #13
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What caught my attention is that he had a concealed carry permit. In NYC this is virtually impossible to get unless you are a celebrity, very well connected politically, or a mobster with connections. Just owning a handgun legally in NYC is pretty unusual, let alone legally carrying. I'll bet there is a lot more to this story.
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Old May 25, 2013, 09:11 AM   #14
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It happened in Jupiter, Florida, not New York.
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Old May 25, 2013, 09:12 AM   #15
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Old May 25, 2013, 09:47 AM   #16
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How many residents in cemeteries got there by saying: "Hey guys, watch this!"
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Old May 26, 2013, 08:57 AM   #17
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Almost as many as got there by saying "hold my beer and watch this!"
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Old May 26, 2013, 09:46 AM   #18
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True, Spats. . .very true.

Back when I was growing up, there was a motorcycle shop in town where all the would be bad guys hung out. There was this one guy who would come past the shop and stand up on the seat of his motorcycle. Just past the shop was a railroad bridge and the road curved to the right. He would guide the bike under the bridge and around the curve. Then one day, just around the curve, a car broke down and he hit it and got killed.

The thing that separates a lot of us from those who did not make it to adulthood, is the bad things that could have come together to kill us, for whatever reason, didn't. For others, the luck of the draw was against them.
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Old May 26, 2013, 02:38 PM   #19
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Do NAA mini-revolvers have a transfer bar or something like that? Seems like a candidate to fit the claimed scenario/details.
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Old May 26, 2013, 09:32 PM   #20
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Do NAA mini-revolvers have a transfer bar or something like that? Seems like a candidate to fit the claimed scenario/details.
No, actually they don't. Instead they have safety slots milled into the cylinder between the chambers for the firing pin to rest in not dissimilar to those found on cap and ball revolvers such as the Remington Model 1858 New Army. I suppose it would be plausible that, had this individual been foolish enough to carry a NAA mini with the firing pin resting on a live round rather than in the safety notch that a blow from a bowling ball might be enough to discharge the revolver. As I said, however, he'd have to be pretty foolish to carry a NAA mini this way because use of the safety slots is clearly explained on page 3 of NAA's manual.

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Old May 27, 2013, 07:00 PM   #21
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ummm lets seeeeeeee,,,,

i believe my friend summed it up well

"momma says stupid is as stupid does".


the only way for the revolver to fire itself, would require it to be cocked in his pocket, or he was using something without a transfer bar system, and was carrying pin down on a live cartridge.
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Old May 28, 2013, 07:27 AM   #22
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I am not sure that I buy into the whole issue that this is beer-related. There are plenty of non beer-related NDs that go on across America that don't involved beer or medications.
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Old May 28, 2013, 11:08 AM   #23
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Even if it had a transfer bar, perhaps he struck the revolver hard enough to impart inertia to the FP?
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Old May 28, 2013, 11:16 AM   #24
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I suppose it would be plausible that, had this individual been foolish enough to carry a NAA mini with the firing pin resting on a live round rather than in the safety notch that a blow from a bowling ball might be enough to discharge the revolver. As I said, however, he'd have to be pretty foolish to carry a NAA mini this way because use of the safety slots is clearly explained on page 3 of NAA's manual.
This is the first thing I thought of- NAA mini. Honestly, the only reason I read the manual was I was trying to figure out how to carry the thing with the hammer off of a round and found the hammer slipped into that little notch between two chambers. Looked it up and sure enough, that's what it was made for.

This guy on the west coast of the state didn't get a manual, but IMO, someone ought to be able to figure it out. Huge lawsuit:

http://www.chronicleonline.com/conte...iable-gun-case
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Old May 28, 2013, 11:54 AM   #25
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So far there have been no follow-up stories on this, and I think we've gone about as far as we can with speculation. If anyone finds a new story with more information about how this happened, PM me and I'll reopen the thread.
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