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Old April 1, 2013, 11:36 AM   #1
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80% AR15 question

I was wondering if the 80% ar15s can be finished with a table top drill press?
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Old April 1, 2013, 12:44 PM   #2
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Old April 1, 2013, 01:20 PM   #3
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...what is an "80% AR15"?
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Old April 2, 2013, 10:24 PM   #4
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Yes, provided you have a fixture to help you hold the drill in alignment with where you need to remove material or put a hole for trigger group pins. You might need to do some clean-up with a file.
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Old April 2, 2013, 11:02 PM   #5
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Skadoosh,
An 80 % lower is just that. It's a lower that has 80 % of the machining done. You buy it (no FFL needed) and a jig. With a few tools you finish the machining.
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Old April 3, 2013, 10:47 AM   #6
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Old April 4, 2013, 08:27 AM   #7
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This is legal? Once finished, who is responsible for registering a serial number?
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Old April 4, 2013, 08:32 AM   #8
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Homemade firearms do not (under federal law) require a serial number. ATF suggests it but it is not required.
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Old April 4, 2013, 08:45 AM   #9
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And 'homemade' is proven how to inquiring authorities?
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Old April 5, 2013, 04:35 PM   #10
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> And 'homemade' is proven how to inquiring authorities?

If you fnish an AR lower on a tabletop drill press it will be obvious. The cuts you will make, while OK functionally, will simply not be as clean as a CNC manufactured part. Also, you can't really get your hands on an unserialized lower. They are tightly controlled during manufacture. I used to work for a full auto weapons manufacturer. Receivers are very tightly controlled and tracked.

The problem with an 80%, is that you will pay more for the tooling and jigs than you will save on the first or maybe the first two receivers you finish.
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If you fnish an AR lower on a tabletop drill press it will be obvious.
That doesnt seem like enough, in my opinion, to convince the authorities of the legality of the lower. "Fininshing" an 80% lower seems like manufacturing to me. I need to see it in black and white that this is legal to do.
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Old April 7, 2013, 09:16 AM   #12
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Can you still sell the completed firearm using this method?
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While you can make your own gun using an 80% lower, selling it would require a manufacturers' license from the ATF.
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That doesnt seem like enough, in my opinion, to convince the authorities of the legality of the lower. "Fininshing" an 80% lower seems like manufacturing to me. I need to see it in black and white that this is legal to do.
"Seeing" it in black and white is right there in front of you. There's a whole industry built around it. 1911s too. It's perfectly legal. They wouldn't sell them to you if it weren't legal and you wouldn't have people all over openly talking about doing it.

You don't have to "prove it" to anybody that it's homemade either. Guns built by manufacturers for sale all have serial numbers. If you destroyed the serial number it would be obvious. There's no serial number, or you can add your own, which would be wiser.

You can sell it too, you just can't manufacture it for the PURPOSE of selling it, much like handloading ammunition.

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Old April 7, 2013, 10:30 PM   #15
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For those who would doubt that it is legal in black and white, I cite from the BATF FAQ of their "10 most common questions:"

"Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 C.F.R. 478.39. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for the official use of a Federal, State, or local government agency (18 U.S.C. § 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. § 5822; 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105)."

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http://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/in...top-10-qas.pdf

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Old April 8, 2013, 07:59 AM   #16
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Thank you wyop for providing the actual and pertinent authoritative text.
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Old April 18, 2013, 12:45 PM   #17
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The problem with an 80%, is that you will pay more for the tooling and jigs than you will save on the first or maybe the first two receivers you finish
I have 6 people want to rent my jig as soon as I finish with my 80%. $50.00 was what they all thought fair. Pays for my Jig twice over.

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