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Old April 11, 2013, 08:23 AM   #1
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question on DHS contract

Since the contract is designed for the manufacturers to have a certain amount of ammunition on hand in case the DHS needs it, does this mean that the manufacturers must have the entire amount of mentioned in the contract available in case the DHS decides to purchase all of it?

Also what will happen to the manufacturer stockpile (whatever part they are required to have on hand) when the contract expires and the DHS decided not to purchase the stockpiled ammo?

Will it than be sold on the civilian market?
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Old April 11, 2013, 09:08 AM   #2
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Nope. It only means the ammo is available once ordered and then manufactured to fulfill the contract. The ammo will be consumed by the various agencies the DHS trains- there won't be any surplus.
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Old April 11, 2013, 09:23 AM   #3
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^^^^To put it another way, the contract says that the supplier has to provide "X" number of units at "Y" per-unit price within "Z" amount of time once given appropriate notice. This is standard type of contract for supplies being purchased by a governmental entity.
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Old April 11, 2013, 12:47 PM   #4
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Or to put it yet another way:
  1. During the life of the contract

  2. The vendor promises to deliver a product meeting defined specifications;

  3. In quantities specified in purchase orders received, up to a maximum aggregate quantity;

  4. Within a defined time after receiving each purchase order;

  5. At a specified price payable on specified terms.
How the vendor satisfies those obligations will be up to the vendor.
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Old April 11, 2013, 01:16 PM   #5
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So what is the defined time?

I thought interesting that one specific request amounted to 220,000,000 million rounds of .223.

Not sure how quickly the manufacturer could get that much ammo out immediately without first stockpiling it based on the earlier contract requirement to have the ammo available upon request.
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Old April 11, 2013, 01:27 PM   #6
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So what is the defined time?...
Beats me. That would be specified in the contract. Whatever it is, it was the subject of negotiation between the vendor and the government; and the vendor did agree to it.

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...Not sure how quickly the manufacturer could get that much ammo out immediately without first stockpiling it based on the earlier contract requirement to have the ammo available upon request.
In any case, that's up to the vendor. It's really pretty much a waste of time to try to speculate on how the vendor here plans to meet its contractual commitments.
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Old April 11, 2013, 01:57 PM   #7
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Non issue...

The topic of DHS ammunition or how they use it is really a non-issue.

As posted a few days ago, I met a active senior SA(special agent or GS grade criminal investigator) in NE Florida who told me directly the ATF & DHS employees do not understand all the web chatter about ammunition or govt contracts. They bought lots(cases) of new rounds for training, mostly of new sworn LE agents & 083 police officers at the www.fletc.gov .

He also said that due to the budget cutbacks & sequester mess, the ATF(which is under the DoJ) won't be buying any new rounds in the near future.

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