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Old March 30, 2013, 06:09 PM   #51
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I was asserting. I assert that the sun will rise tomorrow. The only proof is by long observation that there seems to be a trend one can rely upon....
Actually, there is an enormous amount of data supporting that -- including some very robust theories regarding the dynamics of bodies orbiting the Sun.

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...I assert that if one tries this stunt that the expressed derailing of the event will occur. Such derailings have happened before and there's no reason to think this one would be immune. In fact, our political opposition has every reason to intervene...
But unless you have some actually evidence to support that assertion, it's just your guess and not worth anyone's attention.

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...Even if I have no facts to back up my assertion- it's still a bad idea.
It might well be a bad idea, but your assertion, based apparently on your guess, really has nothing to do with it.
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Old March 31, 2013, 01:53 PM   #52
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Restating what Frank has written:

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I assert that the sun will rise tomorrow. The only proof is by long observation that there seems to be a trend one can rely upon.
Um, no.

We have enough tools at anyone’s disposal to calculate the orbit of the earth, to calculate the rotational speed of the earth around its own axis and to calculate the tilt of the axis in relation to its orbit. With these tools, we can empirically state that the "sun will rise tomorrow," barring a cataclysmic event that would immediately alter the mathematics of the equation. The tools and mathematics have been available for centuries.

That is not assertion. That is established fact.

Your "assertions," on the other hand, are no more than guesses (I assume based upon your own experiences and/or observations). This is the same as my own "guesses" of how a particular case might go.
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Old March 31, 2013, 02:31 PM   #53
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Thanks for the replies. I have some careful reading to do thanks to the links, and a stronger tack to take.

Excellent info. Appreciated.
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Old March 31, 2013, 02:56 PM   #54
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barring a cataclysmic event that would immediately alter the mathematics of the equation.
As far as I understand, we also have at least a general idea of how much longer the Sun will remain the Sun.
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Give or take a couple of billion years, yes we do.
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