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Old March 21, 2013, 09:55 PM   #1
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Reasonable micro / subcompact shooting distance

What is a reasonable maximum shooting distance that a Nano / LCR / LCP / P290RS type of weapon could shoot accurately?

Just for a twist, how far could a Taurus Public Defender shoot accurately?

I am torn between the defender and a P290rs as my next purchase.
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Old March 22, 2013, 07:29 AM   #2
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I've heard mixed reports on the judge shooting 45 LC, but the others should be plenty accurate mechanically to hit a man size target at 100 yards (I've got a 2" S&W Model 15 that is capable of 1" groups at 25 yards. These guns are certainly capable of accuracy far beyond a distance you will ever need to shoot in SD, or what you could even justify as being SD.

That said, practical accuracy is a whole other matter. With that same 2" Model 15, my wife can barely hit a 9" pie plate a 5 yards.
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Old March 22, 2013, 11:38 AM   #3
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Depends on the guy behind the trigger.
I've seen many people that could consistantly keep their shots COM on a police target out to 75+ yards. Seen a couple that could do it at well over 100. However, I've seen others that could not hit the broadside of a barn from inside.
If you are willing to put in the practice, you will be shocked at how far you can hit with just about any firearm.
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Old March 22, 2013, 02:47 PM   #4
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Thanks for the replies. I am just kicking some ideas around in my head in regards to my next purchase and appreciate all the input.
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Old March 22, 2013, 04:09 PM   #5
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A decade or so ago I shot the qualifying target for a Rhode Island non-resident carry permit using a 3-1/2" Para-Ordnance P12.45. The required distance was 75 feet and I shot something like 285 out of 300 possible. I doubt if I could repeat that today.

That said, most self-defense shootings take place within 21 feet, so with a compact pistol I never worry about how it might shoot beyond 25 feet.
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Old March 23, 2013, 09:52 AM   #6
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One of the guys in our range gang used to be able to consistently hit a one gallon water jug, at 100 yds, with his Walther PPK.
Like what's been said, it ain't the gun.
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Old March 23, 2013, 11:03 AM   #7
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head plates at 25 yards are doable without problem with our standard judge and .45lc
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Old March 23, 2013, 11:30 AM   #8
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My new obession is my gun club's plinking range. There are falling plates of various sizes about 20 yards away. If I take my time with the Nano, I knock a plate just over 50% of the time. Of course, I've only expended about 100 rounds there in a couple of sessions. If I keep up the practice, I can improve that greatly. The Nano can do it; the shooter is the issue.

Then, I start working on speed. I can't think of better training for CCW weapon familiarization.
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Old March 24, 2013, 01:00 PM   #9
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I don't remember where I heard it or who said it but I always think of the one that said "First you get accurate, then you get fast. No one ever got hurt by a fast noise." Nuff Said.
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Old March 24, 2013, 11:35 PM   #10
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Great discussion so far. Thanks everyone.
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Old March 26, 2013, 06:58 AM   #11
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ole hickok45 can give a solid review of many small pistols.

Here one video showing him shooting a pm9- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKSvmMLJt_0
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Old March 26, 2013, 11:19 AM   #12
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A good gauge for combat shooting....

As a general rule, I go by what I call the 3x3x3 Rule; 3 rounds at approx 3 feet in about 3 sec. Now this applys to armed citizens(license holders) NOT sworn LE, military troops, armed security/PMCs, etc.
Richard "Demo Dick" Marcinko, the colorful ex-SEAL officer who set-up & ran SEAL Team VI(later called DevGru or Development Group) wrote in the great non fiction book: Rogue Warrior that he mandated that the SEALs/shooters should be able to hit a 3"x5" card at 30'. This seems decent for any carry/duty sidearm.
FWIW: Research by the LAPD in the late 1990s showed the avg distance for a officer involved shooting was 28'.

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Old March 26, 2013, 11:45 AM   #13
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as close as you can get. subcompact=gut gun.
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Minute-of-face across a dark movie theatre.

In other words, a laser is required.
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