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Old March 23, 2013, 11:51 AM   #26
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I want to like the B.Mag but it looks like the designers were not in the clearest mindset when designing it, sitting around drinking drawing it up, got the people that had to be ok with it along for the party. "This is what we came up with." and they were like "Sounds good bob, lets make several million of them".

The Winchester 1885 is beautiful, just so many other guns I would rather pay that money for.
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Old March 23, 2013, 12:38 PM   #27
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Looks mean little in my book. The B-mag will be the first rimfire rifle with a strong enough action to safely fire a 33,000 plus psi pressure since the manufacture of the first Remington 591 and 592 rifles.

It may also, down the road, provide an opportunity to revive the 5mm Remington magnum rimfire.
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Old March 23, 2013, 01:59 PM   #28
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Looks mean little in my book. The B-mag will be the first rimfire rifle with a strong enough action to safely fire a 33,000 plus psi pressure since the manufacture of the first Remington 591 and 592 rifles.

It may also, down the road, provide an opportunity to revive the 5mm Remington magnum rimfire.
The Ruger 77/22 has been capable of handling 'centerfire' pressures, since it was introduced - even more so, after they went to threaded barrels for everything.
The same goes for most of the CZ rimfire rifles.
The B-Mag isn't' breaking any new ground, except for die-hard Savage fans that are blind to other brands.

The B-Mag is, essentially, Savage's plastic interpretation the 77/22 - and a cheesy cock-on-closing version, at that.
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Old March 23, 2013, 06:28 PM   #29
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Nothing wrong with cock-on-closing, says this Lee-Enfield enthusiast.

I feel this cartridge is going to get hemmed in between the .17 HMR on the low end and .17 Hornet on the high, now that the latter is a factory round (and reloadable to boot).

(OT - On the other hand, that Winchester is gorgeous. Scale it up, chamber it for .303 British, and I'm sold.)
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Old March 23, 2013, 11:20 PM   #30
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Coyote season? Here they are considered vermin. Shoot on sight, day, or night. In some counties there are bounties on coyote. Centerfire 22's are most often used, due to the distances involved.

This new rimfire sounds interesting though. I'd like to see it in a semiauto, like 10-22/17, or Marlin clip fed semi. Might be a fun plinker. I may be hide bound but a 17gr bullet seems like it would bounce off or explode on anything bigger than a prarie dog.
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Old March 24, 2013, 01:43 AM   #31
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Honestly, the round doesn't appeal to me that much. I don't care how fast you drive that little bullet, it's going to lose velocity pretty quickly. You up the size of the bullet much and you're going to lose velocity. If I didn't already own a .17HMR, then I might consider one, but most of my varmint hunting is done with a .223, and a 40gr bullet traveling around 3500 fps will do a lot better job than any .17 I know of. Just my two cents, for what it's worth(not much).
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Old March 24, 2013, 08:01 AM   #32
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If you want speed in a coyote/varmint gun you need a .204 ruger
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Old March 26, 2013, 08:43 PM   #33
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Steve, I shoot varmints past the effective range of the .204. Not knocking the .204, but it does nothing I want to do any better than the .22 caliber rifles can do it. The .220 Swift and .22-250 are about 1000x more useful than the .204. They are about 400 FPS faster as well. Supposedly the barrel life on the .204 will be a little better than the .22s, but I dont know anyone who has shot one enough to find out.
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Old March 26, 2013, 11:50 PM   #34
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The .220 Swift and .22-250 are about 1000x more useful than the .204. They are about 400 FPS faster as well. Supposedly the barrel life on the .204 will be a little better than the .22s, but I dont know anyone who has shot one enough to find out.
I think you had better go back and check your velocities, if you're beating the .204 by 400 FPS you have some way hot loads. I've found the .204 more useful in prairie dog towns because I can simply get more rounds off before I have to let my barrel cool. I haven't found a coyote yet that will shrug of a properly placed 32-40 grain bullet out of a .204 either.

Now if you're hunting deer sized game then I'd have to agree that the .22's are more useful.
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Old March 27, 2013, 02:59 AM   #35
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I would have to give the .22-250 the edge on effective range. But in every other catagory, including velocity, I like the .204 for yotes/varmints. Not saying its the end-all-be-all varmint caliber, just a personal preference.

But as far as the OP's original caliber of discussion, I think the .17 wsm will make a decent yote gun in areas where centerfires aren't always allowed. But won't take the place of the .204 and .22 caliber centerfires, especially downrange. I'd say it will really shine on varmints at 300 yards and under.
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Old March 27, 2013, 09:57 AM   #36
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The .220 Swift and .22-250 are about 1000x more useful than the .204.
While 1000X might be stretching it and your velocity numbers are off I'm with ya on the .22-250 being better. Same trajectory out to 300 yards and better thump beyond that.

The .204 has 3 "possible" advantages: #1 would be less recoil, #2 is that the .204 is readily available in AR's and #3 only applies if you have a hidden stash numbering in the 1000's of small rifle primers.

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I think the .17 wsm will make a decent yote gun in areas where centerfires aren't always allowed.
Whether it's decent or not is yet to be determined, I'm not convinced (heck not sold on the .204 for yotes yet), but regardless it will be the BEST rifle option for those in "no centerfire" areas. None of the other current rimfire options come close.
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