Brit SAS soldier jailed for illegal gun possession

Armybrat · March 16, 2013, 09:23 PM

Amazing how the Brits hate guns, even when one of their special forces heroes has one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-my-name.html

At least popular opinion helped overturn this stupid miscarriage of justice, but he is still ruined.

WillyKern69 · March 16, 2013, 09:51 PM

Almost like Fienstein saying Vets should be banned from owning guns. It is okay when your killing for them, but don't kill to protect yourself or family. The world has gone mad, I swear.

WK

Tucker 1371 · March 16, 2013, 10:02 PM

The freakin hipocrisy... I'm irate.

Sodbuster · March 16, 2013, 10:08 PM

http://www.arrse.co.uk/intelligence-...ut-appeal.html

His mates aren't as sympathetic.

trg42wraglefragle · March 16, 2013, 10:27 PM

Quote:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/intelligence-...ut-appeal.html

His mates aren't as sympathetic.

I wouldn't use that forum for useful information,
it's great for a laugh but I wouldn't take everything you hear there with a grain of salt.
Thoughts on the EU are very interesting though.

Also the Brits don't hate guns, they are well rooted in a lot of British traditions.
The thing that was their down fall was when people started demonizing them (like whats happening in at the moment), there wasn't enough people or groups like the NRA to protect them.

They completely banned handguns in 1996, yet today in London the police are finding illegal guns everyday.
Which proves what people in the US are saying that banning guns only stops law abiding people from having them.

The only trouble then becomes when people who own them legally commit massacres, like the few recently in the US and the Dublane school massacre in the UK which is when they banned handguns.
Which in most cases has been from mentally unstable people.

Which then turns into ban guns for everyone, when maybe they should be looking at how mentally unstable people are dealt with.

Sodbuster · March 16, 2013, 11:11 PM

Useful for what? That's what I read. Sorry if I'm missing your point. It's not a controlled scientific experiment we're talking about. But yes, the site is good for a laugh.

trg42wraglefragle · March 17, 2013, 02:59 AM

Useful as in 99% of the time its just flat out abuse and tongue and cheek.
If your looking for genuine opinions and information, it takes a bit of finding.

**Bud Helms** · March 17, 2013, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trg42wraglefragle

They completely banned handguns in 1996, yet today in London the police are finding illegal guns everyday.
Which proves what people in the US are saying that banning guns only stops law abiding people from having them.

An interesting comment. Let's think about that one for a while.

Sodbuster · March 17, 2013, 04:54 PM

Duly noted, trg42, that's probably true. I'm not going to argue with the Commonwealth about the arrse. They do that themselves.

I should have posted what Bud did; that is what caught my eye also. Police are "finding" guns. Somehow.

**Bud Helms** · March 17, 2013, 06:36 PM

My point is that the stroke of a pen may create criminals where there were none previously. Not career bad guys, law abiders yesterday and criminals today. They have done nothing to make themslves criminals except go to sleep and wake up again. So to equate them with criminals that habitually don't follow the law is a misunderstanding of the meaning of that reference. And a misuse, I might add.

When we refer to career criminals that have no intention of conforming to society's laws, that does not include citizens that were legal yesterday and law breakers today as a result of new law.

trg42wraglefragle · March 17, 2013, 11:10 PM

I think the lack of support om Arrse comes from that the rules are very strict over there and he knew the rules and broke them.

And then as he was SAS, which are a fairly well liked bunch yet another British army personal in a less highly looked at role wouldn't have got let of.
And just recently an ex Para (which is another highly thought of regiment, but not as high as the SAS) is getting done for much less of a crime.

That and the fact that a major news paper kicked up a stink that got him off, and some Brits aren't that keen on the media they have there, with good reason most of the time (like with the current media out cry against "Assault rifles").
The media can have a huge influence on the people making decisions over there, and on other issues they don't generally give all the facts.

Another thing to watch out for is that Britain doesn't have a huge amount of gun crime and has very strict rules, which US anti's may use as ammunition to ban your guns.
Even though the two don't go as hand in hand as they would like you to think.

March 16, 2013, 09:23 PM	#1
Armybrat Senior Member Join Date: May 10, 2009 Location: Round Rock, Texas Posts: 156	Brit SAS soldier jailed for illegal gun possession Amazing how the Brits hate guns, even when one of their special forces heroes has one: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-my-name.html At least popular opinion helped overturn this stupid miscarriage of justice, but he is still ruined.

March 16, 2013, 10:02 PM	#3
Tucker 1371 Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: East TN Posts: 1,688	The freakin hipocrisy... I'm irate. __________________ LCpl Williams, Evan T. USMC-R, 02-08-2010 ~ D Co, 4th CEB, Engineers UP!! OEF 21JUN-20SEP2011 REV. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

March 16, 2013, 10:08 PM	#4
Sodbuster Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 1999 Location: Gallatin Co MT Posts: 1,248	http://www.arrse.co.uk/intelligence-...ut-appeal.html His mates aren't as sympathetic. __________________ "...politicians appreciate a phraseology that flatters the masses and offers an excellent opportunity not only for evading responsibility but also for crushing opponents in the name of the people." --- Joseph A. Schumpeter

March 16, 2013, 11:11 PM	#6
Sodbuster Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 1999 Location: Gallatin Co MT Posts: 1,248	Useful for what? That's what I read. Sorry if I'm missing your point. It's not a controlled scientific experiment we're talking about. But yes, the site is good for a laugh. __________________ "...politicians appreciate a phraseology that flatters the masses and offers an excellent opportunity not only for evading responsibility but also for crushing opponents in the name of the people." --- Joseph A. Schumpeter

March 17, 2013, 04:54 PM	#9
Sodbuster Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 1999 Location: Gallatin Co MT Posts: 1,248	Duly noted, trg42, that's probably true. I'm not going to argue with the Commonwealth about the arrse. They do that themselves. I should have posted what Bud did; that is what caught my eye also. Police are "finding" guns. Somehow. __________________ "...politicians appreciate a phraseology that flatters the masses and offers an excellent opportunity not only for evading responsibility but also for crushing opponents in the name of the people." --- Joseph A. Schumpeter

March 16, 2013, 09:51 PM	#2
WillyKern69 Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 155	Almost like Fienstein saying Vets should be banned from owning guns. It is okay when your killing for them, but don't kill to protect yourself or family. The world has gone mad, I swear. WK

March 17, 2013, 02:59 AM	#7
trg42wraglefragle Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 635	Useful as in 99% of the time its just flat out abuse and tongue and cheek. If your looking for genuine opinions and information, it takes a bit of finding.

March 17, 2013, 06:36 PM	#10
Bud Helms Staff Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia Posts: 12,907	My point is that the stroke of a pen may create criminals where there were none previously. Not career bad guys, law abiders yesterday and criminals today. They have done nothing to make themslves criminals except go to sleep and wake up again. So to equate them with criminals that habitually don't follow the law is a misunderstanding of the meaning of that reference. And a misuse, I might add. When we refer to career criminals that have no intention of conforming to society's laws, that does not include citizens that were legal yesterday and law breakers today as a result of new law. __________________ "The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion." - John Lawton, speaking to the American Association of Broadcast Journalists in 1995 Last edited by Bud Helms; March 17, 2013 at 06:43 PM.

March 17, 2013, 11:10 PM	#11
trg42wraglefragle Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 635	I think the lack of support om Arrse comes from that the rules are very strict over there and he knew the rules and broke them. And then as he was SAS, which are a fairly well liked bunch yet another British army personal in a less highly looked at role wouldn't have got let of. And just recently an ex Para (which is another highly thought of regiment, but not as high as the SAS) is getting done for much less of a crime. That and the fact that a major news paper kicked up a stink that got him off, and some Brits aren't that keen on the media they have there, with good reason most of the time (like with the current media out cry against "Assault rifles"). The media can have a huge influence on the people making decisions over there, and on other issues they don't generally give all the facts. Another thing to watch out for is that Britain doesn't have a huge amount of gun crime and has very strict rules, which US anti's may use as ammunition to ban your guns. Even though the two don't go as hand in hand as they would like you to think.