NRA political endorsements - Page 2

**Vanya** · March 8, 2013, 07:57 PM

It may be just as well they're not a political party.

Bring back the Bull Moose party, say I! TR knew what was what.

JimDandy · March 8, 2013, 08:46 PM

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This, not so much. It is considered a political organization: a PAC (political action committee), to be exact. It just happens to be a one-issue political organization. OpenSecrets.org has some good information on where their money goes; some of it may surprise you.

Pretty sure that's the NRA-PVF and possibly the NRA-ILA not "The NRA". A subtle but important distinction.

**Vanya** · March 8, 2013, 09:01 PM

JimDandy, You're right -- it is the NRA-PVF. The OpenSecrets data do make interesting reading, though.

**JohnKSa** · March 8, 2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sunaj

It is absurd to say you are going to support solely gun rights to the exclusion of every other consideration...

No one is suggesting that. What I said quite clearly is that the NRA is a SINGLE ISSUE organization.

That doesn't mean it's the only issue that's important, it means that it's the only issue that the NRA tracks.

Again, if other factors are important to you (and no one is saying that they shouldn't be) then you need to get that information elsewhere. You can not get it from the NRA because they only collect and disseminate information based on one factor.

That is not the NRA's fault, it is because that is their only focus and charter. It is as unreasonable to criticize them for being a single issue organization as it is to criticize a hammer because it can't be used as a wrench. It was never intended to be anything but a hammer just as the NRA was never intended to be anything other than a single issue organization focused on firearms.

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The only solution is to vote 3rd party...

Think again. Google Mark Brophy. The idea that this complex issue can be dumbed down to a "vote party X and you're always good" is not based in reality.

mayosligo · March 8, 2013, 10:26 PM

Remember too that the biggest critic of the NRA and the group that dumps the most labels in them is the media. Nationwide there are numerous politicians from both. Parties and independents that receive NRA backing. Historically this ebbs and flows. There are numerous liberal politician who have been members of the NRA. Politicians will chose what is best for them based in their local landscape.

mrbatchelor · March 9, 2013, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sunaj

It is absurd to say you are going to support solely gun rights to the exclusion of every other consideration, Bush brought in the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc., leading the Republicans, which are hell bent on turning our society into a fascist state, perhaps an oligarchy ruled by a small elite, etc.,

But it isn't any party in Washington. It's the system itself in Washington.

It wouldn't matter if we had three major parties, so long as we have people who become entrenched into Washington. We need turnover, not more parties.

If you took a dozen congressional critters split evenly between the parties, then got half a dozen staunchly right leaning ordinary web posters from a gun site and half a dozen staunchly left leaning ordinary web posters from a (you pick it) web site, then put all 24 of them on an island for two weeks, the congress critters would collect together and the regular citizens would collect together.

The conservative Congresscritters and conservative citizens would have no truck with one another. Likewise the liberal Congresscritters would have nothing to do with the liberal citizens.

(In all likelihood the Congresscritters would be trying to coerce food from the citizens by the end of a few days.)

March 8, 2013, 07:57 PM	#26
Vanya Staff Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 2,966	It may be just as well they're not a political party. Bring back the Bull Moose party, say I! TR knew what was what. __________________ Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless. - Leo Tolstoy

March 8, 2013, 09:01 PM	#28
Vanya Staff Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 2,966	JimDandy, You're right -- it is the NRA-PVF. The OpenSecrets data do make interesting reading, though. __________________ Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless. - Leo Tolstoy

March 8, 2013, 10:26 PM	#30
mayosligo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 300	NRA political endorsements Remember too that the biggest critic of the NRA and the group that dumps the most labels in them is the media. Nationwide there are numerous politicians from both. Parties and independents that receive NRA backing. Historically this ebbs and flows. There are numerous liberal politician who have been members of the NRA. Politicians will chose what is best for them based in their local landscape.