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Old February 23, 2013, 07:19 PM   #26
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The serial number.
Ok thats correct, but I mean feature by feature. For the 1st model K-22, SN range 632124 to 682419 without a prefix, the K-22 2nd model SN range is 682420 to 696952, and the post war guns have a K prefix. Since you were right anyways, here are all the differences:

K-22 1st model aka outdoorsman - patent dates on top of barrel, pre war long action, 5 screw, small adjustable sight, pre war hammer or optional humpback hammer, one line company address. Small logo on left side or large logo on right side. Diamond small silver medallion service grips standard or pre war diamond magna grips as an option. 1931 to 1939 production, a little over 17k produced.

K-22 2nd model aka K-22/40 - patent dates on top of barrel, short action, 5 screw, post war micrometer adj sight which is flush with top strap of frame, hammer has speed notch. One line company address. Large logo on right side only. Diamond small silver medallion service grips standard, then magna grips optional. Pre war diamond magna grips made standard during production. 1067 made in 1940 only - AFAIK, no 1941 specimens found to date.

K-22 3rd model aka post war K-22 - has sold barrel rib (no patent dates on barrel), short action, 5 or 4 screw (later a 3 screw as model 17), post war adj rear sight which is raised from frame, speed (aka fish hook) hammer, standard K frame hammer, or wide target hammer. Large logo on right side. 1 line company address (early post war), and 2 line company address begin 1948 approx. Standard with post war diamond grips, then unrelieved diamond targets, followed by relieved diamond targets, until approx 1968 when diamond removed (3 screw frame by then as well). Manufactured from 1946 to 1956 as 5 screw, then from 1956 to 1958 approx as K-22 pre model 17, then after 1957/58 as 4 screw model 17. Tens of thousands produced (not sure exact number)
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Old February 24, 2013, 04:57 PM   #27
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Only factory revolver that can be suppressed.... Nagant Revolver?
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Old February 24, 2013, 07:07 PM   #28
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Sorry, forgot this one.

John Browning's first semi automatic firearm was an 1873 Winchester rifle.

Browning put on a sliding butt plate with a bar that was attached to the lever.
When fired, the recoil would cause the butt plate to act like a recoil pad and the bar would operate the lever action.
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Old February 24, 2013, 07:21 PM   #29
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How many generations of Colt Detective Special are there? What are the distinguishing features of each?

Also, one I actually don't know the answer to. Why are .38 Special and .380 ACP called that when they are actually .355-358?

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Old February 25, 2013, 12:36 PM   #30
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What 5 calibers is the Desert Eagle available in from the factory?
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Old February 25, 2013, 12:48 PM   #31
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What 5 calibers is the Desert Eagle available in from the factory?
.41 mag, .440, .357 mag, .44 mag, and .50ae

They sure do like large calibers.
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Old February 25, 2013, 12:56 PM   #32
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Correct. Most people miss the .440 Corbon since they didn't make it for long. Neat little round though. Like a 357Sig on steroids. haha
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Old February 25, 2013, 01:10 PM   #33
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Why are .38 Special and .380 ACP called that when they are actually .355-358?
The only reason I know this is because it was covered in my CC class last month. If I remember correctly, they include the brass in the measurement of the round, not just the bullet itself.
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Old February 25, 2013, 02:04 PM   #34
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Why are .38 Special and .380 ACP called that when they are actually .355-358?
Early cartridges used an outside lubricated "heel" type bullet, similar to the one the .22rimfires still use today. The full diameter of the bullet was the same as the outside diameter of the case. .38s were actually .38s, .44s were .44s etc.

When the inside lubricated bullet was developed, the heel type was replaced by them, except for .22s. Now, the max diameter of the bullet had to fit inside the case. .38s became .36s (.358) and the .44s became .43s (.429) etc. For a while, the bore sizes were kept the same, as the soft lead bullets would upset and fill the bores, giving tolerable accuracy. Eventually the bore sizes were reduced to match the bullets better, but the names were kept the same.

The .38 Special and the .380acp are 38s because we were used to calling guns with those bore sizes ".38s", and those names were chosen for marketing purposes.
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Old February 26, 2013, 10:03 AM   #35
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Interesting. I thought it had to do with copyright laws.
Kinda like how the Chevy 305 is actually 302 cubic inches, but Ford had 302 trademarked and all that jazz.
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Old February 26, 2013, 12:24 PM   #36
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Old February 26, 2013, 01:09 PM   #37
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Old February 26, 2013, 01:40 PM   #38
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Trademarks...

This discussion made me think of an interesting piece of gun trivia regarding trademarks.

AFAIK S&W holds a trademark on the name ".357 Magnum", but only as the name of a gun, not as the name of a cartridge. IOW another manufacturer may release a gun that is chambered in .357 Magnum, but only S&W can legally sell a gun that is actually named ".357 Magnum".

This name was used for the N frame revolver models that preceded the Model 27, prior to S&W's institution of their modern model numbering system in 1957. Some less cognizant enthusiasts call all such pre-1957 guns "Registered Magnums", but- to introduce another piece of trivia!- only those guns that were special-ordered and sold with mail-in registration certificates are properly called "Registered". The gun was initially offered solely on a custom-order basis, but once S&W realized how popular it was, they began offering standardized production models that were sold for a slightly lower price without the certificates. S&W collectors refer to the latter guns as "Non-Registered Magnums".
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Old February 28, 2013, 05:09 AM   #39
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Triple Action...Colts and S&Ws.

Pythons or S&W N Frames.

Anyone can shoot a revolver single action; and anyone can shoot it double action. So how do you shoot one Triple Action?

I know. Do you?
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Old February 28, 2013, 08:44 PM   #40
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In one hand a single action, and in the other a double action?

Which two pre war Colts were chambered in 357 magnum?
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Old February 28, 2013, 09:12 PM   #41
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Try this:
Who innovated the direct gas inpingent system currently in use for several AR platform weapons, including the M16A2?

A) Ronnie Barrett
B) Richard Jordan Gatling
C) Eugene Morrison Stoner
D) John Moses Browning
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Old February 28, 2013, 09:17 PM   #42
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Anyone can shoot a revolver single action; and anyone can shoot it double action. So how do you shoot one Triple Action?

I know. Do you?
Are you referring to a 1908 Hopkins Allen or perhaps a beretta 93r?
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Old February 28, 2013, 09:21 PM   #43
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ignore my question, i had a brain fart
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Old March 1, 2013, 01:17 AM   #44
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@Shamrock- Yes, you nailed it. The Nagant cylnder actually moves forward to become flush with the barrel when the hammer is pulled back (either by thumb or trigger pull). The 7.65 Nagant brass extends over the bullet to create a gas seal, making a supressor a feasible option.

Not that I would use one, but this is Trivia!
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Old March 1, 2013, 06:51 PM   #45
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What 5 calibers is the Desert Eagle available in from the factory?

.41 mag, .440, .357 mag, .44 mag, and .50ae
And 357 magnum.

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Which two pre war Colts were chambered in 357 magnum?
Single Action Army and New Service.
I did have to cheat a little, I couldn't remember if it was New Service or Shooting Master.

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Old March 1, 2013, 08:56 PM   #46
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Single Action Army and New Service.
I did have to cheat a little, I couldn't remember if it was New Service or Shooting Master.
I actually forgot the SAA was in 357 before WWII but the models that I originally meant were the New Service AND the Shooting Master, both available in 357 before WWII.

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And 357 magnum.
Not sure why you said that about Desert Eagles when the other guy had ".357 mag" in his answer?

True or False - The Registered Magnum was available in only 1/4 in barrel lengths from 3.5 in to 8.75 in.
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Old March 2, 2013, 12:13 PM   #47
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Who innovated the direct gas inpingent system currently in use for several AR platform weapons, including the M16A2?

A) Ronnie Barrett
B) Richard Jordan Gatling
C) Eugene Morrison Stoner
D) John Moses Browning
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Not strictly speaking a handgun question, but I will take a shot at it
I am assuming that you refer to direct gas impingement systems, not to the specific details of the AR-15/M16 system. That being the case, my guess is the great John M. Browning. Of the available choices he is the most reasonable. (I do know who designed the AR-15, but he did not originate direct gas impingement systems.)
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Old March 2, 2013, 07:28 PM   #48
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And 357 magnum.
Doesn't .357 mag stand for .357 magnum?

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JimmyR said :@Shamrock- Yes, you nailed it. The Nagant cylnder actually moves forward to become flush with the barrel when the hammer is pulled back (either by thumb or trigger pull). The 7.65 Nagant brass extends over the bullet to create a gas seal, making a supressor a feasible option.
Helps that I own one. Also, the suppressor used on the Nagants was called a "Brambit device." Or something to that effect.
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Old March 2, 2013, 07:33 PM   #49
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Not sure why you said that about Desert Eagles when the other guy had ".357 mag" in his answer?
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Doesn't .357 mag stand for .357 magnum?
Okay, okay... I ah, well.... ahh, missed that.

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New Service AND the Shooting Master, both available in 357 before WWII.
I looked up the New Service, saw it was available in 357 and went no further.
I just blew that post altogether....

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