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Old February 3, 2013, 07:42 PM   #1
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Reload Data 44 Mag Speer Gold Dot

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Does anyone have any reloading data for the following components:

44 Mag Case (Non Specific)
H110 Powder
Winchester LP or CCI primers
Speer Gold DOt Hollow Point 200 Grain Part Number 4427

I usually Load H110, WLP Primers, and Speer 240 GR JHP. I however have a bunch of the bullets above that I had used in 44 special loads (the box the bullets came in calls them 44 special bullets) and was wondering if they would be OK to used in the magnum configuration or if they are solely intended for lower velocity loads.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Old February 4, 2013, 08:16 AM   #2
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I took a look in Speer's manual & it shows no loads using that bullet/powder combo. I think the reason is Speer lists the 200gr. GoldDot as a short bbl. lower velocity bullet.
Speer does list a 200 jhp using 26.5gr at 1590fps up to 28.5gr at 1688fps.
Your on your own but if it were me I'd load them using 26.5grs. of H110. I think the only thing that would happen is the GoldDot bullet will over expand when it hits the target.(jacket separation)
I just loaded some 230gr. SB GoldDots for 45acp at about 900fps. when I think they're rated for 800fps. So far no problems.
But you do what you thinks best. You can contact Speer.
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Old February 4, 2013, 09:09 AM   #3
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I think the only thing that would happen is the GoldDot bullet will over expand when it hits the target.(jacket separation)

The Gold Dot is a plated bullet.....no jacket.

I have loaded many different types and weights of GD and their renamed Handgun Deep Curls(formerly GDs). All were loaded to Speer specs and all powder charges were comparable to other load recipes using similar weight and shaped bullets from other sources.
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Old February 4, 2013, 09:22 AM   #4
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The Gold Dot is totally a jacketed bullet!
I've loaded gold dots in 357mag,45acp,45colt,44mag and they have all had jackets
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Old February 4, 2013, 09:33 AM   #5
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Here's a 250gr. From a short bbl. 45colt at about 1050fps.



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Old February 18, 2013, 03:19 AM   #6
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Thanks

Thanks for the info fellas
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Old February 18, 2013, 05:34 PM   #7
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The Gold Dot is totally a jacketed bullet!
I've loaded gold dots in 357mag,45acp,45colt,44mag and they have all had jackets
They're plated.

It's still a jacket, but it's plated on the lead core - instead of being drawn from sheet copper.


Speer is unlikely to give you any data for magnum loads with the 200 gr GDHP. It's too soft, and risks forcing cone damage at magnum velocities/pressures. (And those velocities are beyond its designed expansion window.)

But, if you want to take the risk yourself...
Their 200 gr .44 Mag JHP (tougher than the GDHP) lists the following:
1.590" OAL
26.5-28.5 gr H110 / 1590-1688 fps (7.5" Redhawk)
Magnum Primer
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Old February 19, 2013, 12:39 AM   #8
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My first SBH 35 years ago loved the Speer 200 JHP over 28 gr W296 and CCI-350 magnum primers. 1" groups at 50 yds with a Leupold 2x LER scope and sandbags.
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Old March 12, 2013, 09:41 AM   #9
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I have to say Frankenmauser you were correct.
GoldDots are plated jacketed.
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Old August 5, 2014, 05:52 PM   #10
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http://www.speer-bullets.com/pdf/Rel...A/44_200GD.pdf
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Old August 5, 2014, 08:09 PM   #11
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The Hodgdon web site lists 200 gr Nosler JHP 28.5 gr H110, 1.600" 37.8 k cup.

The Nosler bullet is .61" long and the Speer GD is .63" long.

Quickload thinks that the the difference is like 0.3 gr of powder or 0.1" OAL.

So that would make the 200 gr GD load 28.3 gr 1.600" OAL or 28.5 gr 1.61".

But in reality, all this is down in the noise of shot to shot variation.
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Jacketed or plated - this bullet is not built sturdy enough to get a big thrust from H-110. And that's why Speer has no load data for the combination. It is not to be loaded to that kind of velocity. If you wish to do that, choose a bullet with a more robust construction - like their 240 JHP (4453 - as you mentioned) or their JSP (4457).

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Speer is unlikely to give you any data for magnum loads with the 200 gr GDHP. It's too soft, and risks forcing cone damage at magnum velocities/pressures. (And those velocities are beyond its designed expansion window.)
FrankenMauser is right. And it is a plated bullet - like he said too. Okay, I believe Speer calls it "a jacket bonded at the molecular level" or some such thing. Uhh, that's also known as "plated."
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Old August 5, 2014, 09:13 PM   #13
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4427 Load data

BTW Thunder12:

I load this bullet with 10.0g W231 (in compliance with Speer #14), and it yields:

1192 fps through a S&W 629 8-3/8" bbl; which is 631ft/lbs.
Now this is a short barrel loading but I used a long barreled gun for testing.

Going through - say - a 4" bbl, it'd probably be 100 fps less - still 530ft/lbs. At any rate, W231 is well suited for the application (as opposed to H110). This is a good recipe and well engineered for the bullet's design.
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Old August 6, 2014, 12:10 AM   #14
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Went back a ways to dig this one up. A plated bullet is a bonded bullet. Interesting word game.
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Old August 7, 2014, 06:13 AM   #15
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Another user of 231 and the speer 4427, although slightly lighter charge and very accurate.

Have driven some of the older .357 147 gn gold dots well beyond their design velocity, and they folded back against the shank. Not sure if that would happen with the 44/45 caliber large hollow points.
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Old August 7, 2014, 06:26 PM   #16
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I sure wish I had some of them to reload 44 special for my charter arms bulldog.
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Old August 8, 2014, 12:48 PM   #17
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Old August 9, 2014, 08:31 PM   #18
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I sure wish I had some of them to reload 44 special for my charter arms bulldog.
The 4427 would indeed make a great bullet for your Bulldog. They're around and relatively easy to find. It's one of the few bullets that have been sitting on my LGS's shelves - untouched. (I already have plenty.)
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