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Old February 11, 2013, 03:43 PM   #1
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A little bit of Python love for a change, and a question.

Boy, was I happy when I got my Jan '77 issue of American Handgunner. 3 articles about the Python by Mas Ayoob! The most interesting to me was the one about the first Python.

BTW, can any of the oldtimers tell me what grips are those on the first pic?


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Old February 11, 2013, 04:26 PM   #2
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I am not an old timer, so take this with a grain of salt.

Best i can tell, those are either custom "one time" grips or they are an older "fuzzy farrant" variety.
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Old February 11, 2013, 04:30 PM   #3
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Look to me like Herrett's "Trooper" stocks or Cloyce's.



And I am an old timer!



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Old February 11, 2013, 05:30 PM   #4
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Thanks, Micromontenegro.

A tribute to The Best revolver ever manufactured in the world, written by one of the masters of the police shooting of America.

Colt Python: Simply the best you can get!

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Old February 11, 2013, 05:42 PM   #5
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With the palm swell and the grip undercut they remind me of the fuzzy farrant style grips, as another poster noted. No matter who made them, they are a nice looking set of grips.
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Old February 11, 2013, 07:33 PM   #6
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About the same time, Lewis Winant wrote a book, "Firearms Curiosa", which had in the back a series of joke drawings of fictional guns done by Stephen Ickes, spoofing Colt products. One was of a pocket revolver with a huge cylinder chambered for the .99 Colt cartridge*, but also available in .357 Magnum and 5.5 Velo Dog. Playing on Colt's penchant for using snake names, it was called the Python.

The book is copyrighted 1955, just about the same time the people at Colt were working on the real revolver which was to be called that. It may be that the names of the fictional revolver and the real one were coincidence, but I wonder if someone at Colt had seen those drawings or an early copy of Winant's book, and the name was in the back of his mind. The other way seems less likely; the other names are either entirely fictional or fictionalized in some way, and Ickes did his drawings long before Colt developed the Python.

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Old February 11, 2013, 11:40 PM   #7
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Aww man, I am envious. I mean look at all that quality I choose not to own. I mean Pythons were like US $3 gold pieces in a way, so valuable useful and wonderful, that they were deemed unworthy of current production. But hey, there is no better coin to have if you need to buy 100 3 cent stamps.

...but don't you understand, its because Packard automobiles were so refined, perfect, and high quality, that Packard couldn't afford to make them, because on the open market, no one wants the best, but they sold a lot because everyone knew they were the best, but then they couldn't sell enough, because the demand was so high, they couldn't make enough and then because they wanted to make them all hand fitted and perfect, that the production cost was so high, that no one could afford them anymore even though everyone knew they were the best. Since they were the best, and the best cost money, and no one likes the best, Packard had to cease making automobiles. But today, today we know the truth, and by golly, they're the best damn automobile ever made, and Chevrolet is just a wannabee Packard! Chevrolet is only around because they couldn't make a car as good as the Packard. That's why they survived, because their product and company were second fiddle. Its easy to understand
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Old February 12, 2013, 07:23 PM   #8
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We get it. You don't like Pythons.
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Old February 13, 2013, 12:28 AM   #9
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I still intend to add a Python to my collection. I like the model and I believe I need one in my collection.
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Old February 13, 2013, 05:08 AM   #10
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I still intend to add a Python to my collection. I like the model and I believe I need one in my collection.
I've never cared if a Python was "the best" revolver ever made or not. I always wanted one because I didn't have one. Now I do.

Is it any better than my Smith & Wesson 27-2? Darned if I know. I like them both.
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Old February 13, 2013, 06:16 AM   #11
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I've never cared if a Python was "the best" revolver ever made or not. I always wanted one because I didn't have one. Now I do.

Is it any better than my Smith & Wesson 27-2? Darned if I know. I like them both.
That's how I look at it as well. I want one because I like the design and I think it's a well made revolver. Is it the best of the best? How the heck can I know? Are prices ridiculous? Yes. Still want one. It will find a place next to my Smiths and other Colt revolvers.
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Old February 13, 2013, 06:54 AM   #12
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Thanks for the answers, folks! I'd really like to locate a set of those stocks. No luck so far, but all the answers have taken me closer to that goal.

BTW, I never got this "I like X, so I must hate Y" thing. Right at this moment, I am contemplating adding a '68 Mustang to my garage... right besides my '68 Camaro. They are, in fact, spending the night together now. You see, I try to enjoy all nice things around me. Life is too short not to.
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Old February 13, 2013, 10:31 AM   #13
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'68 Mustang to my garage... right besides my '68 Camaro
Yeh. But I would bet that the Mustang will kick the Camaro's azz while you sleep.
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Old February 13, 2013, 10:36 AM   #15
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No way. The 'stang is a 289 2BBl
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Old February 13, 2013, 12:59 PM   #16
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Ask Mas about the grips.

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Old February 13, 2013, 04:04 PM   #17
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I'd love to chit chat about those cars (not that I know squat about them, just that I'd send them both packing for a 1971 1/2 Camaro, but I'm "different") but if we keep doing THAT, we'll get a VERY COOL thread closed. Let's not do that.
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BTW, I never got this "I like X, so I must hate Y" thing.
I'm with you... now. It took maturity to get there. Back in the late 80's when it was time for me to buy my first handgun, I nearly went with a Taurus, but thought better of it because of all the cops at my local Sportsman's Club that were shooting PPC every Sunday morning with L-frame Smith & Wesson revolver. In the end, I bought a S&W 686 and to this day, it's one of those "REALLY smart things" I did once or twice in my life.

My point?! Back then, I scoffed heavily at the Colt King Cobra. That revolver was a direct competitor to my L-frame Smith & Wesson and that revolver was a cheaper, budget version of a Python. I wouldn't have taken one for FREE. (that's a blatant lie, but I'm trying to make a point) As a 17-yr old knucklehead, I looked at a King Cobra as the "other" side and I sneered every time I saw an ad for one.

I was a knucklehead. But I grew up. I'm still glad with the choice I made, but I really want to add a King Cobra. But I know where that goofy sentiment you referenced comes from.
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Old February 13, 2013, 04:12 PM   #18
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As to a Python, the subject of the thread, it's a Ferrari to me.

I'd love to drive one, and in a different lifetime, I'd own one or a couple dozen of them. In this lifetime however, it will never happen. (never say never...?)

I absolutely love handguns and I have my share of them. I will get more as I see fit, but I am a shooter. I really, really want to shoot a Python and I'd love to stick one in -MY- garage overnight and park it next to my other cool handguns.

I don't want to own one. I don't want to pay the premium they demand. I would cringe when shooting or cleaning it if I had paid the premium. And if I found one for a REALLY low price, I'd much rather cash it in to a collector and buy something like a King Cobra and ten thousand component slugs for ammo.

What I [b]really[/i] need is a Python that had accidentally and unknowingly been dragged behind a truck. Something in HORRENDOUS shape... but still functional. I'd pay a couple hundred for that, and then shoot it!
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Everyone thinks that ALL Pythons are so expensive as to be out of reach of normal shooters. Well that may not always be the case.



I had given up pretty much any hope of ever owning one until I found this one at my LGS back in October. Made in 1964, it looked pretty rough in the cabinet, but when I checked it out, it checked out mechanically. The hang tag said $900.00. I offered $800.00 and somewhat to my surprise really, they said "We can do that." Not cheap, but still not out of range of what I had paid for other guns.

I took it home, cleaned it up, and it looked a lot better than it did in the store. The blue has some wear, the grips show use, but it shoots just fine.

The key is to be ready to strike when you see one. If you let it set for even a day while you think about it, someone else will come along and take it. That one had been on the shelf about two hours when I found it.

Keep looking. You never know what or when you'll find something.
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Old February 13, 2013, 05:17 PM   #20
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I have a Python. Never gave much thought to owning one, but ran across one at a local shop and had to get it.

Now, I want to get a S&W Model 27 to accompany it. "Best of the breed" from those manufacturers, I guess. Right now, my Model 19-3 is the most "classic" of my S&Ws.

Here's the snake:

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Old February 13, 2013, 06:02 PM   #21
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Did you look to see if they are Jay scott grips? Also check out sile grips. As Bob Wright said, with Herrett and fuzzy farant (they don't look like a pair of fuzzys) that in short, it has to be a pair made by one of the big custom grip makers of the time.

I've noticed a similar checkering pattern from jay scott, so good luck in your search.
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BTW, I never got this "I like X, so I must hate Y" thing.
I've always found it interesting that there's no group of humans so small that it won't try to sub-divide itself even further.

Among photographers, most fall solidly into either the "Nikon camp" or the "Canon camp". In motorcycles, it's "cruisers vs. sport bikes". Among the cruisers, it's "Harley-Davidson vs. everyone else", and even among Harley riders, there's a lot of infighting between the Sportster riders and the "Big Twin" riders, and I don't think that either of them fully accepts the liquid-cooled, Porsche-designed V-Rod engine yet.

I agree with you - there are too many great products out there for it to make sense to self-segregate ourselves.
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Old February 14, 2013, 05:19 AM   #23
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The key is to be ready to strike when you see one.
Ready to strike?
Like a... wait for it...
python?!
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Keep looking. You never know what or when you'll find something.
Well, always, of course. But you simply HAVE to know that your story is like the exception that proves the rule. Just because it has happened and it happened to you...it's not much of a data point to convince others that they, too, can find a Python for a really good price the way that you did.

Myself, I purchased a fairly high-dollar 1911 that was unfired, and it wasn't one of those crazy "husband died and old lady had no idea what it was worth" stories, either. But you could give me 10 years and free travel all over the country and I could NOT repeat the feat. And if I told you what it was AND what I paid, most would figure me to be lying.

Your Python story is a cool one, but you couldn't pull that off again and I'll bet you know that even if you don't want to agree.

Now then... you could make a complete fool of me and make me ONE HUNDRED PERCENT wrong and all it'll take is for you to sell me that pretty snake for eight hundred bucks. I've got it here, in hundreds, just let me know. My FFL is merely a phone call away.
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Old February 14, 2013, 06:33 AM   #24
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I was lucky enough to get a python a couple of years ago only because a bunch of people in my family kicked in together to give me the 1,200 dollars that I never would have been able to afford myself.

Blued, with a 6" barrel, it is an awesome piece of work to hold in your hands.
Sometimes, I just hold it and stare at it..lol.
As cool as it is though, I like my Ruger GP100, and my SW 686 just as much as the Colt.
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Old February 14, 2013, 07:21 AM   #25
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Your Python story is a cool one, but you couldn't pull that off again and I'll bet you know that even if you don't want to agree.
That's the whole point. No, they're not common, but if I wasn't looking for one, and knew enough about what I was looking for, I would have passed it up thinking it had to be a piece of junk because it wasn't priced at $1500-2000.00. I knew what to look for, and how to check it out to make sure it didn't have timing issues, and that it locked up properly (thanks to a couple of fellows on here). I didn't have to go home and do research.

Sell it to you? Not now...but check back in a few months. I haven't gotten tired of it yet. I doubt I'd take $800.00 for it, but I doubt I'd get much more for it really. It's a good shooter, but it's not in class that brings the big bucks either. There is a world of difference.
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