ruger old army misfires - Page 2

Old Grump · January 18, 2013, 10:50 PM

I have had it. I pay special attention to the nipples now and Treso are the best solution.

Hawg Haggen · January 19, 2013, 10:20 AM

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I know it is a cap problem. Since they all fire second time around. If i load the cylinder 3 times in a row. Same problem. I cannot push the caps on further. But the hammer does and then fires 2nd time around.

It is a cap problem only in the sense that they are the wrong size for the nipples.

Hellgate · January 19, 2013, 01:59 PM

Spooker,
The one cap you did not mention is the Remington#11. It is shorter that the #10 and will "bottom out" sooner and maybe let the cap primer compound get up against the top of the nipple when seating. Try the Rem#11s. They fit larger nipples and have more "give" than other caps like the CCI/WW & RWS with harder walls. They fit larger nipples than the CCI#11s.

It may be that the top of the stock nipples are larger in diameter than normal and that is preventing the cap primer from reaching the top of the nipple with any cap.

wap41 · January 19, 2013, 02:24 PM

I'll buy it at a fair price.If I can't fix it I can always use it for parts.[I collect ROA's]

DD4lifeusmc · January 20, 2013, 11:05 PM

Me too if the price is right I'll buy it just for the heck of having one

BirchOrr · February 11, 2013, 12:30 AM

I remembered this thread fron a while back and had to comment as I had a problem I've never run into before. (Had to do a search to find this post again).

I had Remington #10 caps in my capper and they were perfect for my ROA. I knew I was getting low so recently I bought 2 more tins only this time they were CCI. Dumped a tin in my capper and went back to shooting. Had a heck of a time getting them seated properly. I thought, what the heck?

Had several misfires. I thought the nipples were fouled enough he caps just didn't want to seat. When I cleaned the pistol, I had one of the clean nipples out and checked it with a cap for fit. After trying several caps from this tin, none fit correctly and were all too tight. I set them aside and tried several caps from the second tin I bought FROM THE SAME BATCH. They fit perfectly. I got my mic out and double checked nipple and both tins of caps. The 2 tins averaged over .010 difference! Sorry, but that is a LOT!

In disgust I threw the undersized caps away. Quality control issue I'd have to say.

BUYER BEWARE. I've never had to do this before but from now on, when I need caps, I'll take one nipple with me and check several caps from a tin to be sure they're correct.

Birch

mykeal · February 11, 2013, 11:23 AM

Not at all surprising.

I've said many times on this and other forums:

You don't get three decimal place precision for 4 cents per cap. Cap dimensions WILL VARY SIGNIFICANTLY from batch to batch.

And you do understand, don't you, that there is NO STANDARDIZATION with respect to cap size numbers, and nipple dimensions? No. 10 CCI's and No. 10 Remingtons are not even close to the same dimensions.

BirchOrr · February 11, 2013, 05:23 PM

I'm very aware of it now...

Birch

rclark · February 11, 2013, 06:42 PM

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The 2 tins averaged over .010 difference! Sorry, but that is a LOT!

That's good to know.... I am not crazy after all! I bought another tin of CCI #11s last week. See if they fit any better....

January 18, 2013, 10:50 PM	#26
Old Grump Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2009 Location: Blue River Wisconsin, in a little hut in the woods Posts: 3,124	I have had it. I pay special attention to the nipples now and Treso are the best solution. __________________ Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern will, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. --Daniel Webster--

January 19, 2013, 01:59 PM	#28
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 413	Spooker, The one cap you did not mention is the Remington#11. It is shorter that the #10 and will "bottom out" sooner and maybe let the cap primer compound get up against the top of the nipple when seating. Try the Rem#11s. They fit larger nipples and have more "give" than other caps like the CCI/WW & RWS with harder walls. They fit larger nipples than the CCI#11s. It may be that the top of the stock nipples are larger in diameter than normal and that is preventing the cap primer from reaching the top of the nipple with any cap. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), DGB#129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

January 19, 2013, 02:24 PM	#29
wap41 Member Join Date: August 3, 2009 Posts: 49	roa I'll buy it at a fair price.If I can't fix it I can always use it for parts.[I collect ROA's]

January 20, 2013, 11:05 PM	#30
DD4lifeusmc Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 78	misfire Me too if the price is right I'll buy it just for the heck of having one

February 11, 2013, 12:30 AM	#31
BirchOrr Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Eaton Rapids, MI Posts: 204	Interesting I remembered this thread fron a while back and had to comment as I had a problem I've never run into before. (Had to do a search to find this post again). I had Remington #10 caps in my capper and they were perfect for my ROA. I knew I was getting low so recently I bought 2 more tins only this time they were CCI. Dumped a tin in my capper and went back to shooting. Had a heck of a time getting them seated properly. I thought, what the heck? Had several misfires. I thought the nipples were fouled enough he caps just didn't want to seat. When I cleaned the pistol, I had one of the clean nipples out and checked it with a cap for fit. After trying several caps from this tin, none fit correctly and were all too tight. I set them aside and tried several caps from the second tin I bought FROM THE SAME BATCH. They fit perfectly. I got my mic out and double checked nipple and both tins of caps. The 2 tins averaged over .010 difference! Sorry, but that is a LOT! In disgust I threw the undersized caps away. Quality control issue I'd have to say. BUYER BEWARE. I've never had to do this before but from now on, when I need caps, I'll take one nipple with me and check several caps from a tin to be sure they're correct. Birch __________________ “A man who opens a case in hunting camp and lifts out a single-shot BP rifle makes a statement about himself. It may be quite unconscious, or it may be pure egotistical one-upmanship, but it does project the image of a superior marksman and a hunter of above-average skills.”

February 11, 2013, 11:23 AM	#32
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,631	Not at all surprising. I've said many times on this and other forums: You don't get three decimal place precision for 4 cents per cap. Cap dimensions WILL VARY SIGNIFICANTLY from batch to batch. And you do understand, don't you, that there is NO STANDARDIZATION with respect to cap size numbers, and nipple dimensions? No. 10 CCI's and No. 10 Remingtons are not even close to the same dimensions.

February 11, 2013, 05:23 PM	#33
BirchOrr Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Eaton Rapids, MI Posts: 204	^^^ I'm very aware of it now... Birch __________________ “A man who opens a case in hunting camp and lifts out a single-shot BP rifle makes a statement about himself. It may be quite unconscious, or it may be pure egotistical one-upmanship, but it does project the image of a superior marksman and a hunter of above-average skills.”