Full text of Feinstein's bill - Page 3

Dr Big Bird PhD · February 6, 2013, 03:00 AM

255% if you count piers morgan

**Glenn E. Meyer** · February 7, 2013, 11:17 AM

Saw a poll (whatever) that 95% support universal background checks.

That part might make it through. So mandatory NICS for private sales at shows? I don't know yet if we've seen the details of such.

CowTowner · February 7, 2013, 11:23 AM

Where the heck are they gonna get the money to do this? ^^^^^

SamNavy · February 7, 2013, 11:44 AM

As much as I hate to admit it, and as much as I will continue to be vocally against it... I think the probability of FTF sales going away at the federal level is coming. The propoganda machine of the "gunshow loophole", no matter how it's marketed, makes a compelling argument to the average American. Your average democrat will scream and rave if somebody mentions "voter ID law", but at the same time, will rant and rave when they hear you can buy a gun without 20 gov't hoops to jump through.

I also know a lot of gun owners who would be totally willing to "compromise" on this issue for no AWB or mag-limits. I do my best to constantly push the idea that "this is just the next step in the anti's overall plan of completely disarming civilians through complete bans and confiscation"... some get it, some don't.

Since private firearm sales law have always been left up to individual states, I'm wondering about what legal challenges the states may have to stand on. Is there some sort of "free trade" or "states rights" argument that can be made? I'm out of my element here.

Slamfire · February 7, 2013, 11:48 AM

She expects BATF personal to memorize all of that?

What the BATF will do is default to their level of understanding:

“Ban them all, let the courts sort it out”

The Baron · February 7, 2013, 12:31 PM

What is the likely hood that this would pass? Also why do they consider a barrel shroud a bad thing, or a fore-grip? Do they have reasons why these would be considered bad?

gc70 · February 7, 2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer

So mandatory NICS for private sales at shows? I don't know yet if we've seen the details of such.

McCarthy (H.R.141) and Lautenberg (S.22) has submitted identical bills.

The bills essentially eliminate any casual private sales related to guns shows. Gun shows would have to be registered and "any person who exhibits, sells, offers for sale, transfers, or exchanges 1 or more firearms at a gun show" would have to be registered with the show before it started.

jeffreyulatan · February 10, 2013, 12:56 AM

I had an ATF inspector at my shop telling me that he prefers people apply for FFL 01, even if they don't deal that much. He said he likes it when private sales go thru NICS background checks.

**Spats McGee** · February 10, 2013, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Baron

Also why do they consider a barrel shroud a bad thing, or a fore-grip? Do they have reasons why these would be considered bad?

Those things are scary. So they want to ban 'em.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamNavy

As much as I hate to admit it, and as much as I will continue to be vocally against it... I think the probability of FTF sales going away at the federal level is coming. The propoganda machine of the "gunshow loophole", no matter how it's marketed, makes a compelling argument to the average American.

That's why we've got to get out there, get on FB, get on MySpace and educate the public. We've got to write our congressfolks, and do it yesterday. A month ago, an AWB looked like a real possibility, but it's never been able to gain any traction. I think UBCs can be stopped, but we're not going to accomplish that by posting where nobody but a bunch of gun owners is gonna see it. We've got to get the word out to the folks that vote on these things.

February 6, 2013, 03:00 AM	#51
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February 7, 2013, 11:17 AM	#52
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,137	Saw a poll (whatever) that 95% support universal background checks. That part might make it through. So mandatory NICS for private sales at shows? I don't know yet if we've seen the details of such. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

February 7, 2013, 11:23 AM	#53
CowTowner Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Location: Cowtown of course! Posts: 976	Where the heck are they gonna get the money to do this? ^^^^^ __________________ NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearm Safety and Basic Pistol Instructor "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

February 7, 2013, 11:48 AM	#55
Slamfire Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Posts: 3,378	She expects BATF personal to memorize all of that? What the BATF will do is default to their level of understanding: “Ban them all, let the courts sort it out” __________________ If I'm not shooting, I'm reloading.

February 10, 2013, 12:56 AM	#58
jeffreyulatan Member Join Date: October 23, 2012 Location: Guam Posts: 41	I had an ATF inspector at my shop telling me that he prefers people apply for FFL 01, even if they don't deal that much. He said he likes it when private sales go thru NICS background checks. __________________ Delta Firearms Mfg Co. 07/08 FFL SOT 2, Hobby Shop Owner www.deltaguns.com

February 7, 2013, 11:44 AM	#54
SamNavy Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2011 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 116	As much as I hate to admit it, and as much as I will continue to be vocally against it... I think the probability of FTF sales going away at the federal level is coming. The propoganda machine of the "gunshow loophole", no matter how it's marketed, makes a compelling argument to the average American. Your average democrat will scream and rave if somebody mentions "voter ID law", but at the same time, will rant and rave when they hear you can buy a gun without 20 gov't hoops to jump through. I also know a lot of gun owners who would be totally willing to "compromise" on this issue for no AWB or mag-limits. I do my best to constantly push the idea that "this is just the next step in the anti's overall plan of completely disarming civilians through complete bans and confiscation"... some get it, some don't. Since private firearm sales law have always been left up to individual states, I'm wondering about what legal challenges the states may have to stand on. Is there some sort of "free trade" or "states rights" argument that can be made? I'm out of my element here.

February 7, 2013, 12:31 PM	#56
The Baron Junior Member Join Date: January 7, 2013 Posts: 13	What is the likely hood that this would pass? Also why do they consider a barrel shroud a bad thing, or a fore-grip? Do they have reasons why these would be considered bad?