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Old January 29, 2013, 02:06 PM   #26
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Those are very nice looking cartridges BerdanSS! I've made them too and it is not as easy as it looks. I was all thumbs and after a while went back to the old pour and tamp method.

In the old days ammo factories made them employing women. It is delicate work. There is at least one tale of an ammo factory blowing up which distributed parts of female factory worker all over the neighborhood. Sad.
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Old January 30, 2013, 03:42 PM   #27
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Nice write up here:

http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=326.0
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Old January 31, 2013, 02:25 AM   #28
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paper cartridge

Read about them few years ago.
Decide last spring to try them
I finally got my system worked out where
from start to finish about as fast as a modern reload.
I use a wood dowel tapered so they slide off easier,
or a piece of copper tubing.
With tubing I can roll and fill at same time.
I have a 6 hole loading block I set the cartridge in
either filled or waiting to be filled.
When full I tie top off with thread.
I attach the bullet only on my1863 .54 cal sharps.
I roll my own 30 gr 44 remingtons and colt
50 gr for the walker
80 and 90 grn for the Sharps
70-80 grn for the .50 cal rifle.
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Old January 31, 2013, 03:35 PM   #29
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I like the dowel idea. My thoughts are to roll, twist end, slide off dowel, fill with powder, top with ball, seal with wax, cut off excess paper...tubing idea is hella smart...
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Old February 1, 2013, 02:47 AM   #30
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Tried the dowel idea and the lack of taper did not do well. So went to using a .22 high power case that has about the right taper you need so they will load well and tear so you dont need to worry about fail to fire issues.
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Old February 1, 2013, 03:22 AM   #31
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The original paper cartridges for revolvers were tapered for easier insertion.
I've been considering ordering some "Flash Paper" from a magicians supply store.
From what I've seen this should work better than homemade nitrated paper.

I usually just fill a .38 Special case with powder and tape a ball on the case mouth. The cases hold just short of 25 grains of Goex FFFG.
Undo the tape, pour powder, then seat ball.
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Old February 1, 2013, 06:02 AM   #32
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I just use bugler ciggy butt papers and that seems to work just fine.Rolling paper comes nitrated to a degree.
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Old February 1, 2013, 11:52 AM   #33
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You guys just twisting the end????
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Old February 5, 2013, 07:42 PM   #34
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Been fiddling about this....

No need to soak the entire length of the cigar papers, since only the folded end will be subjected to the cap's discharge.

Once rolled, I drop in a ball and then drop them (balls down) into a cartridge tray. Once filled with powder, make an 'accordian fold' (I like to double-fold them and squeeze gently with pliers) and then paint the ends of the fold with Potassium Nitrate.

That's it!!!!!

Only question is, where can I get liquid potassium nitrate????

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Old February 5, 2013, 07:45 PM   #35
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The reason for nitrating the whole paper is so you get a clean burn.
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Old February 5, 2013, 11:05 PM   #36
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paper cartridge

Been making paper cartridges for while now.
As with anything it takes practice.
I use zigzags as quick and easy, already nitrated
Now from start to finish I can complete one as fast as you cn do a complete brass cartridge recycle. Maybe even faster.
Do it in easy chair watchin TV.
Then when out shooting , just insert paper a ball cap and shoot.
But to each his own
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Old February 6, 2013, 09:57 AM   #37
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@ DD4lifeusmc,

Could you PM me??? I got a few questions...Thanks...
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Old February 8, 2013, 10:06 AM   #38
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Made a few experimental cartridges last night....
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Old February 8, 2013, 11:18 AM   #39
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Would like some more input on your experiences in making these...
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Old February 8, 2013, 03:29 PM   #40
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Hawg Haggen said:
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I used tea bags. They worked every time but are a PITA to make. At least for me.
I'm sorry, but I couldn't help visualizing a Colt Navy with five of those strings and tabs dangling from the cylinder!

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(Who, obviously, is not into black powder)
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Old February 8, 2013, 03:54 PM   #41
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I'm sorry, but I couldn't help visualizing a Colt Navy with five of those strings and tabs dangling from the cylinder!
Well...the first time I posted pictures of my authentically-made cartridges on facebook, one of my female friends said, "Exploding tampons?"



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Old February 8, 2013, 04:01 PM   #42
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LOL!!!!!!
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Old February 10, 2013, 12:55 PM   #43
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Ok, I'm interested too! So What is a "zig zag"? Is that a rolling paper? And How long of a rolling paper is needed. They come in different sizes. I may try this out, even though I can git er done, with a 30gr. spout, and my press. But it would be cool to have some of them "EXPLODING TAMPONS"!!!
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Old February 10, 2013, 08:28 PM   #44
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^^^

Obviously not a college student of the 70's...

Zig Zag is a popular rolling paper for those who roll their own... err... cartridges.


Now DD4lifeusmc is making partial cartridges, he's just rolling up the powder charge, not gluing in the ball. That works fine and is half of the work, with about 80% of the benefit. Maybe more. Not authentic to the 1800's but a darn sight better than carrying a powder measure into the field.

The real deal is to have the ball glued into the open end of a conical paper cartridge so you just ram the entire thing into the cylinder, paper, powder, ball, and all.


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Old February 11, 2013, 10:33 AM   #45
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Here is an excellent video concerning very accurate reproductions of paper revolver cartridges:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vx_nQphKO4

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Old February 11, 2013, 03:14 PM   #46
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Thanks for the link!!!!!
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Old February 11, 2013, 08:10 PM   #47
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Obviously not a college student of the 70's...
Too True, Willie Considering I was born in 1977 . So what length paper to get?
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Old February 14, 2013, 03:10 PM   #48
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A little harder with a ball as opposed to a conical...
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