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Old January 28, 2013, 08:27 PM   #76
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Well, if you really want to compare the .45 to the .40, and think they are the same in performance, see what the .45 does when it is loaded to the same pressure as the .40 (the industry calls it .45ACP+P). The .40 , as mentioned, was designed to operate at the top of its available pressure margin, so it has little chance to have a +P round that enhances it's performance. I don't fire .45ACP+P often, but it is available for use, shouild you "need" the extra power.
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:31 PM   #77
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Windscreen? How about if you have to shoot out the tyres or engage a target in the boot!?
Or take out the block through the bonnet?
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:32 PM   #78
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At a price, recoil, wear and tear. How much power do you need, didn't the 180gr 40S&W duplicate the 10mm load the FBI developed?
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:33 PM   #79
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Or the bugger in the boot!
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:40 PM   #80
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didn't the 180gr 40S&W duplicate the 10mm load the FBI developed?
No. 40 S&W comes close to the Light commercial 10mm loads but, nowhere near full power 10mm loads.

The FBI did not develop anything. They tested it with some wimpy limp wristed agents.

Jeff Cooper developed the 10mm.
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:48 PM   #81
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Little bit harsh there.
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:55 PM   #82
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Little bit harsh there.
The harshness was not pointed at you. Those wimpy agents tho I stand firm on that!
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:56 PM   #83
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Old January 28, 2013, 10:15 PM   #84
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That said the .40 is more pleasurable and cheaper to shoot than the 10mm.
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Old January 29, 2013, 12:47 AM   #85
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I guess maybe Im going off the reservation here a bit but while I carry a 40 and a 45 I have also owned 9mm and 357.

The closest thing to human targets for comparsions are whitetail deer.
9mm will but its very iffy
40 45 both will also with quite a bit more authority than the 9mm
357 will cleaner with a lot more internal damage deeper than any of the above.
Ill be buying another handgun in the next week or so. Having my own little testing done on edible targets Ill either go for the 40 or a ruger lcp in 357.
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Old January 29, 2013, 01:48 AM   #86
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Me, I'll be in the market for a new or nice used Glock 22 when I get back to the states in March. I just love the modularity of the Glock platform in this model where you can add a .357 Sig barrel (and use the .40 S&W magazines) and even get a 9mm barrel (and use G19 magazines). Three guns in one and two out of the three calibers are among the most common in America today. Not a bad combo for SHTF scenarios. As a handloader, I expect to keep my shooting costs down. Too bad the Glock rifling is generally not good for cast bullets. I also plan to explore the .40 S&W as a subsonic round to use with a supressor. I love my .45s, but this looks like a fun deal for me in my retirement.
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Old January 29, 2013, 01:53 AM   #87
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Too bad the Glock rifling is generally not good for cast bullets.
The aftermarket barrels have button rifling and work fine with cast bullets.
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Old January 29, 2013, 01:28 PM   #88
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Ill either go for the 40 or a ruger lcp in 357.
When did they start making those?
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Old January 29, 2013, 03:30 PM   #89
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Hmmm. A Ruger LCP chambered in .357. Might make for a great gift to someone you really don't like.
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Old January 29, 2013, 03:55 PM   #90
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Hmmm. A Ruger LCP chambered in .357. Might make for a great gift to someone you really don't like.
My LCP is my little EDC buddy. I'm just looking at it imagining it flying apart trying to shoot a .357
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Old January 29, 2013, 04:30 PM   #91
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Haha - we get it - funny typo. Maybe there will be a 357 Sig LCP? That would be fun to fire.
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Old January 29, 2013, 05:24 PM   #92
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I buy and resell a lot of 40s and 9s because I have no interest in them. You do see an influx of some calibers at different times. I see a lot of police in trades and like to buy them in bulk to resell as they often have a lot of holster ware but were fired less then 500 times. Clean em up nice and they sell pretty fast.

I still think of the 40 as a gimmick round and doubt that it last like the 9s and 45s. I don't think this is a sky is falling time for 40s just the ebb and flow.
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Old January 29, 2013, 08:37 PM   #93
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No way the 40S&W is a gimmick, I would never buy that!
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Old January 29, 2013, 09:36 PM   #94
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The .40 was released when I was 2, and it's still a hugely popular round and I'll graduate law school in a year. If it's a gimmick, it has long legs.
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Old January 29, 2013, 10:11 PM   #95
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Thanks for reminding me how old I am. I was thinking 40 was still a newly invented round.
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Old January 29, 2013, 10:47 PM   #96
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Thanks for reminding me how old I am. I was thinking 40 was still a newly invented round.
Hey, no worries, I still think "ten years ago" means the early 1990s
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Old January 29, 2013, 10:52 PM   #97
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The .40 S&W cartridge debuted January 17, 1990,
From the Wiki page

I thought it was older than that. I was 10 years old at the time if that makes you feel any better Glenn or LockedBreech.
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Old January 29, 2013, 11:08 PM   #98
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Because 9mm's are "cool" now. And just purely my own speculation...people are scared of the hi-cap mag bans and think it matters that you can get an extra couple rounds in a 9mm. Hogwash if you ask me
Don't think "cool" is the reason. Try ammo costs-- which are higher than ever. Starting with the lead bullet.

Montana Gold bullets: Jacketed round nose per 1000.


9mm $125

.40 $165

.45 $197
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Old January 29, 2013, 11:21 PM   #99
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There are people who jump on the new thing and people who stand buy proven calibers. There will be a big new thing and the 40 will be greatly reduced in popularity. Just my opinion. I don't have a horse in the race so to speak. 308/44mag are the newest caliber that I use. Talk to me in 40 years and if the 40 is as popular then as 9s and 45s are I'll admit I was wrong.
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Old January 30, 2013, 12:15 AM   #100
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A few tens of thousands of dead attempted murderers and home invaders might argue that the .40 had proven itself already.

I'm just curious when a round gets to be considered "proven" or "established". 23 years is nearly a quarter-century of heavy use.
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