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Old January 18, 2013, 12:36 PM   #51
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Thanks, I've been looking for some to try as an experiment. Not much heavier than a 95 grain ball though...
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Old January 18, 2013, 12:38 PM   #52
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Here is a review I found on the aforementioned Dixie/Buffalo .125 grain Conicals:

This is a 125 grai swaged bullet with cupped base and a hatch-mark bullet retention pattern on the bearing surface. They are coated with some sort of lubricant- probably moly. The nose is rounded like a ball to gain optimum fit to loading rams the base is rebated to allow the bullets to seat in the chambers. Seating is in a straight line with no more distortion than desirable and the same for all bullets.

I loaded these in a 61 Navy fitted with shoulder stock hoping that bullets would raise the point of impact a bit higher than with ball loads. This did occur but I also had a slight (1.5") bias to the left at 60 feet. I fired a group at that distance- standing with the shoulder stock attached putting five rounds into less than 2" and expanding the group to about 2.25 with a sixth. A fifty yard group sitting on the ground under less than ideal lighting conditons was about 7" . It appears that the Buffalo bullets come closer to ball accuracy than any others I have tried and would be adequate for close up small game hunting with the right point of aim.

I clocked five rounds with 18 grains of Goex fffg getting 803 fps with 99fps spread.
The same measure using Pyrodex P went 865 fps with 71 fps spread.

The bullets are fairly expensive at nearly $15 for a box of 50
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Old January 18, 2013, 03:26 PM   #53
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Pietta makes the 1863 Remington pocket pistol in both a brass and steel-framed version. 5-shot and easily concealable (3 1/2" bbl), though not alot of wallop in .31 caliber.

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Old January 18, 2013, 04:08 PM   #54
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1863 Remington pocket pistol

Use this one to fire the warning shot before you pull the Walker out from under your coat!
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Old January 18, 2013, 04:25 PM   #55
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Remingtons are so damn ugly!!!!!
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Old January 18, 2013, 04:46 PM   #56
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^^ I guess you think all SA revolvers from 1873 and up are ugly too huh? Cause they all look alot alike to me.
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Old January 18, 2013, 05:04 PM   #57
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I think the Colt C&B's look great!!!! Not a big Peacemaker fan....
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Old January 19, 2013, 08:11 AM   #58
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The original thought was that these are not recognized as firearms.

So, are they regulated under ccw laws?
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Old January 19, 2013, 08:16 AM   #59
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Yes. Once loaded and carried/concealed, many states do consider them to be just like any other modern pistol.
But it really depends on the state since some may not.
And in a state where the laws may be really gray with respect to carrying one loaded, the decision could be placed in the hands of a judge and/or a jury.
And once arrested and charged then a new precedent can be set.
A person could be charged with violations other than carrying a [concealed] pistol without a permit, such as reckless endangerment.

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Old January 19, 2013, 10:13 AM   #60
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Here (Auburn, Alabama), we can buy em, sell em, display em, mail em, drive around with them (to and from ranges) - all pretty much without fuss .... but if they are carried loaded (on my person or in my vehicle), we are required to have a CCW permit. 'Not difficult to get here, but still required.

I wear my 1860 around here (my property) most of the time, and when I leave, I usually put it in the truck seat, under a rag or Tshirt. It's not easy to carry concealed on my person, but it does usually travel with me.
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Old January 19, 2013, 12:14 PM   #61
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I am glad someone brought that up. There is a myth that antiques and repros are not considered firearms so it is OK to carry one regardless of state permit laws. Not true. Many states do exempt them from restrictions on purchase or possession, but I know of no state law that exempts antiques or repros from criminal law restrictions on carrying, concealing or transporting a handgun.

As far as areas like armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, etc., it doesn't matter how a gun is loaded, it is a firearm and a deadly weapon.

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Old January 19, 2013, 01:15 PM   #62
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I am glad someone brought that up. There is a myth that antiques and repros are not considered firearms so it is OK to carry one regardless of state permit laws. Not true. Many states do exempt them from restrictions on purchase or possession, but I know of no state law that exempts antiques or repros from criminal law restrictions on carrying, concealing or transporting a handgun.

As far as areas like armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, etc., it doesn't matter how a gun is loaded, it is a firearm and a deadly weapon.

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Indiana law does not regulate the carry of non cartridge weapons. Still, I would never carry my cap and ball pistol without my license to carry, because not all LEOs know the law well, and I don't need the hassle.
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Old January 19, 2013, 01:45 PM   #63
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Remingtons are so damn ugly!!!!!
That is just crazy talk. As far as worldly possessions, my 1858 is the most beautiful thing I have ever owned!
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Old January 19, 2013, 02:02 PM   #64
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That is just crazy talk. As far as worldly possessions, my 1858 is the most beautiful thing I have ever owned!
But just look at the beautiful lines and the warm colors of this thing... just beckoning to be held and carried along as your faithful companion.
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Old January 19, 2013, 02:22 PM   #65
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I can't argue with you there Beagle.
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Old January 19, 2013, 02:24 PM   #66
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In California, at least in the (4) counties that I worked in, you may only list and carry (3) weapons on your CCW, all of which appear on the CCW by make, model, caliber and serial number. I am told that Fresno county now collects a ballistic proof (fired bullet) from each gun and keeps that on file for later ballistic matching. You may not carry ANY single action firearm, pistol or revolver and you may not carry ANY firearm on California's Unsafe Gun List.
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Old January 19, 2013, 02:45 PM   #67
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But just look at the beautiful lines and the warm colors of this thing... just beckoning to be held and carried along as your faithful companion.
Opinions vary. I like the looks of the 1851 better than the 1860 and I like the 1858 better than any other firearm.

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Old January 19, 2013, 03:25 PM   #68
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I cannot bear the look of the 1858 Remington, although I have a nice Pietta that was old when I got it many, many years ago...
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Old January 20, 2013, 03:07 AM   #69
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I like the Remington and the Colt but the Remington is just functional while the Colt is a functional work of art.
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Old January 20, 2013, 06:01 PM   #70
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True, the Remington has some advantages, such as easier cylinder removal,but I have fired my Uncle's 1861 production Colt many, many times and find it functions flawlessly and it is more accurate than my Pietta '58 copy, so I think Ol' Sammy knew what he was doing....
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Old January 26, 2013, 07:49 PM   #71
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I have a couple original 1860 colts and beside looking great they will still outshoot a lot of modern pistols
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