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Old January 20, 2013, 06:30 PM   #1
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Question on 49 pocket revolver ballistics

Does anyone know offhand how a 49 pocket revolver performs at 25 yds? I was thinking they might not shoot as high as a 51 Navy or a 1860 at the range, with the smaller charge and caliber. Anyone have any practical experience with this?
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Old January 20, 2013, 06:47 PM   #2
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NOPE, but as soon as you go to the range with it and report back, I will!
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Old January 22, 2013, 05:14 PM   #3
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Google "Cumpston percussion revolver" and you'll come upon a partial Google books printing of Cumpston & Bates' Percussion Pistols and Revolvers (one that's worth buying through Amazon). On page 98, the authors discuss how at 50 feet they found it necessary to aim about one foot low with an 1849 Wells Fargo Model to get decent hits. They have a nice amount of load info and other data - again, it's worth buying this book.
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Old January 22, 2013, 05:48 PM   #4
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Thanks, that kind of goes with what another feller told me about sometimes the smaller calibers have a higher rate of climb. So according to this, you would have to actually aim lower than you would a 1860. I will still test out the theory on Friday
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Old January 22, 2013, 07:52 PM   #5
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Dave,
that lil '49 is on my list, so please don't forget to report back with your findings, charge, P.O.A, etc, and as always a pics is GRRRRRREAT
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Old January 22, 2013, 09:16 PM   #6
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Dave, you know what's funny is that Cumpston and Bates don't live an hour from you.
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Old January 23, 2013, 05:38 AM   #7
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Don't expect minute of paper plate accuracy at 25 yards.
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Old January 23, 2013, 11:14 AM   #8
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10 feet would be a more appropriate range with speed of presentation and economy of movement the goal...
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Old January 23, 2013, 11:51 AM   #9
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it's for a target match not shootout at the Walmart corral, lol!
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Old January 23, 2013, 12:17 PM   #10
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That's quite a distance for target shooting with a .31!!!!

I practice gunfighting techniques with all my firearms, including C&B's...
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Old January 23, 2013, 12:19 PM   #11
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last gunfight I got in was in a place called Iraq, and I had a rifle, lol!
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Old January 23, 2013, 12:38 PM   #12
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My hat's off to you on that one.

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Old January 23, 2013, 07:41 PM   #13
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Received a "Pocket" today from BerettaUSA and sent it back for exchange in the same hour.
Short arbor by .023" (go figure), timing problems, the wedge would bottom out with finger pressure and then I could wiggle the barrel.
Oh, and the wood fit about as well as a Pietta (proud at the palm heel area).
It sure was pretty, but so disappointing. I am right glad that I have been made aware of what to look out for because Uberti quality control certainly doesn't seem able to inspect them adequately.
MAYBE? it's replacement will be a better example (I pleaded that someone look it over before packaging!).
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Old January 23, 2013, 08:39 PM   #14
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dang, not good. So far, the only problem gun I've had was a uberti, with the exception being my uberti Hombre SAA clone, which is as fine of a pistol as I could ever want.
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Old January 24, 2013, 06:13 PM   #15
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it's for a target match not shootout at the Walmart corral, lol!
I think you need to find something better for a target match at 25 yards. Just sayin.
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Old January 24, 2013, 06:25 PM   #16
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I was gonna default to my 1860, but was shootin the .36 Navy style ones the other day. Took a look at the pocket, and said "hmmm? I wonder...." End of the day, more than likely the 1860 will be the gun of choice. Then again, I did spend a long time in the Army so doing things that make sense probably aren't my strong suit, lol!
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Old February 9, 2013, 04:11 PM   #17
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This is my Pocket Model For some reason these with no loading lever are called "Wells Fargo."

It seems that the Colt type revolvers-both original and replica, that have the low, bead type front sight shot well above point of aim while the ones that have blade front sights-like the walkers, dragoons, 60 armys and 61 navies hit closer to point of aim.
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Old February 9, 2013, 09:35 PM   #18
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^^ Very nice Piece Mec! Now fella's I need some range reports with pics And other than the Wells Fargo, the only other pocket WITH a loading lever is the baby dragoon, right?
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Old February 9, 2013, 11:00 PM   #19
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Right about the Baby Dragoon and the center post on the Wells
Fargo can be used as a ram for loading, there were some reprinted instructions with my ASM WF that I have since lost, but got a cylinder loader anyway as the balls cast with the brass mold were awfully hard to ram, and they were soft lead, just too big, got a .318 ball mold and they load easier now.
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Old February 9, 2013, 11:24 PM   #20
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A 31 pocket model from the Robert E. Lee Family

[IMG]http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86948&stc=1&d=1360469719[/IMG
This is an original Pocket Police in 36 caliber.It handles and shoots just like a Uberti Replica.]



this pocket navy has a dovetailed high sight to make it hit point of aim:


.31 Pocket Model
Load Velocity Spread (5)
50 Grain Ball 12.5 Goex FFFg 720 5
50 Grain Ball 12.5 Pyrodex P 682 47
50 Grain Ball 10 H777 650 53
50 Grain Ball 13.5 Swiss 814 73
60 Grain Bullet 12.5 Pyrodex P 668 79
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Old February 10, 2013, 10:07 AM   #21
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well, the pocket at 25 yds was not even worthy of pics, let alone a serious choice for match gun, lol! If the loads too light, you're lucky to even bust the target material. BUT, the performance at more reasonable ranges led me to choose this as my backup carry gun. So, if we have learned nothing else, even experiments bordering on the absurd may sometimes yield results.
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