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Old January 10, 2013, 02:32 PM   #26
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Would you support legislation that requires all firearms transactions to go through a FFL?
No.

I will support no further expansion of Federal powers. None.

I am so NOT interested in what the .gov wants to DO. Tell me about what it that they are UNDOING.
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Old January 10, 2013, 07:47 PM   #27
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Absolutely NOT! It serves no function except to impede the lawful tranfer of firearms and increase the cost. Another Jim Crow firearms suggestion.

Criminals do not care what the law is...if they cannot obtain what they want legally, they will obtain them illegally...the only people you will burden with such a law is those that would follow the law.
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Old January 10, 2013, 08:18 PM   #28
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If all NICS checks were made free, and no state could tax/charge it, would people be more willing to make them mandatory?
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Old January 10, 2013, 08:40 PM   #29
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No, it is completely unnecessary...like I said, if a criminal wants a gun, he will get a gun...illegally is necessary.

The check is not "free", even if they do not charge for it..
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Old January 10, 2013, 08:40 PM   #30
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To make all the background checks free would require a rewrite of the brady bill to disallow states acting as a middleman, or changes to prohibit states from charging while they act as middleman, and subsequently a rewrite of those states laws to keep up with the change. The charges only come into play when the state acts as a middleman(although not all states that middleman charge) instead of allowing FFLs to contact NICS directly.

And no I still would not support it.
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Old January 10, 2013, 09:23 PM   #31
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Would you support legislation that requires all firearms transactions to go through a FFL?
My reason for supporting this is as follows,
Where have all the illegal guns in the hands of criminals come from?
I do not support any new laws, because the anti-gun zealots will never stop. Some feel that if we give in on this or that, then it will end. It will not end. The anti-gunners would only consider it a small victory in an ongoing war to disarm every American citizen.

I was a parole officer for 30 years. Every criminal I ever dealt with, who used or possessed a firearm, had either stolen it, or purchased it from another criminal who had stolen it. They didn't go to gun shows or buy them at their LGS. Newsflash...criminals don't obey laws. They don't care what new laws Joe Biden, Gov. Cuomo or Mayor Bloomberg may come up with. If every gun in America is banned and confiscated, there will simply be a lucrative black market of firearms sales. Remember Prohibition anyone? Criminals will be heavily armed and law abiding citizens will be stripped of their ability to defend themselves.
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Old January 10, 2013, 10:25 PM   #32
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Old January 10, 2013, 10:26 PM   #33
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If all NICS checks were made free, and no state could tax/charge it, would people be more willing to make them mandatory?
TANSTAAFL.

Anything new the .gov does is going to be added to the debt our kids will have to pay back..... provided this whole financial house of cards does not come tumbling down ......
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Old January 10, 2013, 11:12 PM   #34
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Where have all the illegal guns in the hands of criminals come from?
Most are stolen from individuals, or acquired through straw purchases. Neither of those things are stopped by the NICS system.

NICS was an unpleasant compromise we accepted back in the 1990's, and I see absolutely no reason to expand its reach. Ask someone who's been wrongfully denied what the appeal process is like.

Oh, and as far as guns "stolen" from FFL's: most of those are book-keeping errors, sometimes on the dealer's side, sometimes on the distributor's side. Any time there's some question as to acquisition/disposition and a trace request is issued, the gun is a crime gun. There is no other classification in the system.
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Old January 11, 2013, 06:52 AM   #35
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If I currently own a gun I bought from someone down the street, the Feds don't know about it. Now if mandatory NICS check is required and I sell my gun to another person on the next block, how will the Feds know? In order for it to work, all guns would have to be registered in advance so they would know what you owned when the law went into effect.

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Old January 11, 2013, 05:52 PM   #36
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Where have all the illegal guns in the hands of criminals come from?
Either from FFLs through straw purchases, or stolen from lawful owners.

Very VERY few are purchased legally through face-to-face transactions (unless you count street-corner sales where a gun that's already "hot" gets bartered for a quantity of some regulated chemical compound).
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Old January 11, 2013, 08:15 PM   #37
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Absolutely not.
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Old January 11, 2013, 08:36 PM   #38
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No Way.

Over a period when the number of guns have increased in the US, the number of violent crimes was halved.

None of these 'reasonable controls' are about being reasonable; they are about control.

Those who push the un-Constitutional anti 2A agenda want to disarm the American people. Theyd prefer to do it quickly, but use the strategy of doing it slowly because it works.

They are the same tactics used by Fabian Socialists, whose shield depicts a wolf in sheeps clothing.
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Old January 14, 2013, 01:51 PM   #39
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I'm not in favor of any new laws regarding guns, because they are useless and uninforceable ... hicap mag bans, AWB, all transfers through FFLs; everything requires the cooperation of law-abiding citizens ... well, that's me, but in this case, not so much ... I read somewhere that there are some 20,000 laws regulating firearms on the books in this country .. that seems like plenty, how about enforcing them?
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Old January 14, 2013, 03:18 PM   #40
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I would if worded right . Here is one of many issues I have with this
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`Sec. 932. Regulation of firearms transfers at gun shows

`(a) Registration of Gun Show Promoters- It shall be unlawful for any person to organize, plan, promote, or operate a gun show unless that person--
`(1) registers with the Attorney General in accordance with regulations promulgated by the Attorney General; and
`(2) pays a registration fee, in an amount determined by the Attorney General.
This would seem to be a way to regulate the gun shows out of existence .

Will the AG be able to refuse registration ?

The AG can make the registration cost so high that no one would be able to afford the registration .

In short I like the idea of back ground checks but I can see many ways for them to be abused .
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Old January 14, 2013, 03:27 PM   #41
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How can you trust a government that wants to deny its law-abiding citizens the right to the same firearms that it supplies to Mexican drug cartels? I am not in favor of any government infringement of my God given rights. I believe "government involvement" and "botched" to be nearly synonymous terms. Rant over.
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Old January 14, 2013, 04:08 PM   #42
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Would you support legislation that requires all firearms transactions to go through a FFL?
Yes, I would, in exchange for all the following:

-Extend and enhance definition of “continuous travel” to provide real protection for interstate travel by land, sea, and air
-Repeal bans for trains and buses.
-Repeal bans in post office, VA facilities, park buildings, and all other similar federal facilities and grounds
-Repeal Gun Free School Zones Act
-Allow concealed carry in any establishment that is tax-exempt or receives federal funding (and that is a BUNCH of places).
-Complete protection from law suits after a legal use of a weapon.
-National reciprocity
-Blanket pardon for anyone convicted on a charge coming out of the above repealed laws

That would be a worthwhile net gain.
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Old January 14, 2013, 04:36 PM   #43
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That would be a worthwhile net gain.
While it lasts. Say we make that "trade," and a couple of years down the road, there's a similar tragedy. Then the Gun Free School Zone gets re-enacted. Perhaps the political climate changes, and we see restrictions on carry reinstated.

The net result for us would be a loss, and we'd be worse off than before.
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Old January 14, 2013, 06:38 PM   #44
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Old January 14, 2013, 06:49 PM   #45
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How can you trust a government that wants to deny its law-abiding citizens the right to the same firearms that it supplies to Mexican drus cartels? I am not in favor of any government infringement of my God given rights. I believe "government involvement" and "botched" to be nearly synonymous terms.
Bingo!!!

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This: Its about control and the elimination of guns from US society.
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Old January 14, 2013, 06:58 PM   #46
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Absolutely not, not the Fed's business what we buy and sell. Registration = eventual confiscation.
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