Fired my first 10mm handgun

SC4006 · January 4, 2013, 11:47 PM

The brother and I went to the range today with a couple of guns, and hoping to rent the Ruger Super Redhawk snubbie in .454 they have... but they had just run out of ammo for it. So we browsed through their rentals and decided to just go with a Glock 20. After shooting my S&W 4006 for awhile, I was very surprised to find that I couldn't notice much difference in recoil when shooting the Glock. Of course most factory 10mm loads aren't very hot (we were shooting remington UMC), but even then I certainly did notice a difference in the muzzle blast of the 10mm compared to the .40 S&W. Every shot from that thing lit up the entire side of the indoor range, and made quite a bang as well. Overall I really liked the 10mm, very controllable imo, with a lot of power and as a bonus puts on a nice light show

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KyJim · January 5, 2013, 01:04 AM

Remington lists the muzzle velocity of their 180 gr. load at 1,150 fps which would be pretty hot for a .40 SW but not for the 10mm (assuming it really shoots at 1,150 fps). I don't shoot .40 SW but I can really tell the difference in .45 acp and 10mm. The .45 is not nearly as snappy as the 10mm.

hAkron · January 5, 2013, 09:49 PM

If you like the 4006, find yourself a 1006. You won't be disappointed.

SC4006 · January 6, 2013, 05:12 PM

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If you like the 4006, find yourself a 1006. You won't be disappointed.

Yeah I've thought about the 1006, I'm more of a rifle guy myself but I would definitely like a 10mm handgun.

vossman · January 6, 2013, 07:39 PM

One day I will get a 1006 or Delta Elite, one day.

AndyWest · January 6, 2013, 07:53 PM

It moved a little when you said "Delta Elite". For now I have to subsist on my G21 10mm conversion. Which aint bad, BTW, for the cost.

Xfire68 · January 6, 2013, 07:57 PM

I picked up a Glock 20 last month and I have found the same to be true.

Low recoil compared to calibers like .40 and .45 ACP.

I have loaded up some rounds that are in the "HOT" range and even those were not as I would have expected.

The_Shadow · January 7, 2013, 07:21 PM

Shhhiiissss! DON"T tell any one about the 10mm thing! You'll have everyone wanting a 10mm gun!

thedudeabides · January 7, 2013, 07:30 PM

10mm recoil on G20 and G29 is LESS than 40 or 45 in similar guns.

I actually prefer shooting a G29 to a G30.

Most factory ammo has a pretty tame muzzle velocity and is close to some of the hotter 40s, but the Buffalo Bore stuff has one hell of a kick to it.

rock185 · January 8, 2013, 10:51 PM

SC, not suprised you experienced little difference in recoil between the 10 and the .40, or about the "light show" with the Remington-UMC ammo. I've done a fair amount of chronographing of factory and reloaded 10MM since my first 10MM, a Bren Ten back around '83-84, IIRC. The Rem-UMC load is one I have not chronographed, but I would be surprsed if it got anywhere near 1150 FPS now days. Most factory 10MM ammo of the last ~20 years seems to be drawing closer to duplicating .40 S&W ballistics, than what the 10MM cartridge is safely capable of. With some modern factory ammo, I can see why some shooters wonder why anybody would bother with 10MM, since ballistics are about the same as published .40 S&W. I have shot a fair amount of the Remington .45 185 grain JHP non-+P and 9MM 115 grain JHP +P over the last dozen years or so and find that both give a very bright flash in low light, similar to what you have described. Not such a good thing for duty or carry ammo I think...

I'm still a fan of the "real" 10MM and after the Ben Ten had Glock, Colt, Kimber, S&W( semi-auto and revolver), Ruger Blackhawk, etc. 10MMs. While I am a died-in-the-wool 1911 guy, I have come to prefer the S&Ws in 10MM over the 1911 types. The S&Ws, with their greater slide mass seem to handle the real 10MM ammo with boring reliability, but without Warp 9.5 slide velocities, heavy recoil springs, buffers, etc. of the 1911 10MM platform.

Ps, "Real" 10MM to me means loads like Norma's original 200 grains at a chronographed ( in 5" bbl.) 1200+ FPS, Norma 170 at ~1300 FPS, Buffalo Bore 180 JHP at 1380 FPS, Winchester's 175 Silver Tip at 1270FPS, etc. or similar reloads...ymmv

thedudeabides · January 9, 2013, 07:54 AM

You pretty much summed it up--modern 10mm is VERY close to 40. Unless you reload or get hotter ammo.

Which most modern 10mm's with a fully supported barrel can handle.

The_Shadow · January 9, 2013, 10:59 AM

For those who have come to know and appreciate the 10mm for its ballistic ability we have this chart to give some indications of potential...

Please feel free to visit the 10mmfirearms website for more info...
http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10m...-ammo-history/

RickB · January 9, 2013, 01:31 PM

I like to load my 10mm rounds with Power Pistol powder, as even if the bullets are moving at only .40 S&W velocities, I still get full 10mm-levels of shock and awe.
Jeff Cooper's intent for the 10mm was a 200gr bullet with an impact velocity of 1000fps. Assuming a 50yd limit, that would be 1050fps at the muzzle. A far cry from the "magnum" rounds cooked-up by D&D and Norma.

brian33x51 · January 9, 2013, 06:32 PM

10mm is pretty sweet. I have a glock 20 (gen2?) which I blew the mag catch in half using reloads I bought at the range. Poor chamber support, be careful what you feed your glock! But it does feed reliably.

I have a couple of 10mm EAA witnesses I love to shoot, the large frame CZ is great for me. I had to swap the compact over to a .40 barrel, the round is just too hot for it to handle reliably.

January 4, 2013, 11:47 PM	#1
SC4006 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2012 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 161	Fired my first 10mm handgun The brother and I went to the range today with a couple of guns, and hoping to rent the Ruger Super Redhawk snubbie in .454 they have... but they had just run out of ammo for it. So we browsed through their rentals and decided to just go with a Glock 20. After shooting my S&W 4006 for awhile, I was very surprised to find that I couldn't notice much difference in recoil when shooting the Glock. Of course most factory 10mm loads aren't very hot (we were shooting remington UMC), but even then I certainly did notice a difference in the muzzle blast of the 10mm compared to the .40 S&W. Every shot from that thing lit up the entire side of the indoor range, and made quite a bang as well. Overall I really liked the 10mm, very controllable imo, with a lot of power and as a bonus puts on a nice light show . __________________ I don't always get to the range, but when I do, I prefer dosAK's.

January 5, 2013, 01:04 AM	#2
KyJim Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2005 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 6,503	Remington lists the muzzle velocity of their 180 gr. load at 1,150 fps which would be pretty hot for a .40 SW but not for the 10mm (assuming it really shoots at 1,150 fps). I don't shoot .40 SW but I can really tell the difference in .45 acp and 10mm. The .45 is not nearly as snappy as the 10mm. __________________ Jim's Rules of Carry: 1. Any gun is better than no gun. 2. A gun that is reliable is better than a gun that is not. 3. A hole in the right place is better than a hole in the wrong place. 4. A bigger hole is a better hole.

January 6, 2013, 07:53 PM	#6
AndyWest Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2011 Posts: 579	It moved a little when you said "Delta Elite". For now I have to subsist on my G21 10mm conversion. Which aint bad, BTW, for the cost. __________________ Shoot smart. Shoot S-Mart.

January 6, 2013, 07:57 PM	#7
Xfire68 Senior Member Join Date: April 1, 2010 Location: Communist State of IL. Posts: 1,292	I picked up a Glock 20 last month and I have found the same to be true. Low recoil compared to calibers like .40 and .45 ACP. I have loaded up some rounds that are in the "HOT" range and even those were not as I would have expected. __________________ NRA Life Member, SAF Member

January 7, 2013, 07:21 PM	#8
The_Shadow Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2009 Location: Southeast LoUiSiAna Posts: 176	Shhhiiissss! DON"T tell any one about the 10mm thing! You'll have everyone wanting a 10mm gun! __________________ TheSHADOW The "10mm" I'm Packin', Has The Bullets Wackin', Smakin' & The Slide is Rackin' & Jackin'!

January 5, 2013, 09:49 PM	#3
hAkron Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2011 Location: Akron, Ohio Posts: 157	If you like the 4006, find yourself a 1006. You won't be disappointed.

January 6, 2013, 07:39 PM	#5
vossman Member Join Date: November 27, 2010 Posts: 25	One day I will get a 1006 or Delta Elite, one day.

January 7, 2013, 07:30 PM	#9
thedudeabides Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2012 Posts: 503	10mm recoil on G20 and G29 is LESS than 40 or 45 in similar guns. I actually prefer shooting a G29 to a G30. Most factory ammo has a pretty tame muzzle velocity and is close to some of the hotter 40s, but the Buffalo Bore stuff has one hell of a kick to it.

January 8, 2013, 10:51 PM	#10
rock185 Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 161	SC, not suprised you experienced little difference in recoil between the 10 and the .40, or about the "light show" with the Remington-UMC ammo. I've done a fair amount of chronographing of factory and reloaded 10MM since my first 10MM, a Bren Ten back around '83-84, IIRC. The Rem-UMC load is one I have not chronographed, but I would be surprsed if it got anywhere near 1150 FPS now days. Most factory 10MM ammo of the last ~20 years seems to be drawing closer to duplicating .40 S&W ballistics, than what the 10MM cartridge is safely capable of. With some modern factory ammo, I can see why some shooters wonder why anybody would bother with 10MM, since ballistics are about the same as published .40 S&W. I have shot a fair amount of the Remington .45 185 grain JHP non-+P and 9MM 115 grain JHP +P over the last dozen years or so and find that both give a very bright flash in low light, similar to what you have described. Not such a good thing for duty or carry ammo I think... I'm still a fan of the "real" 10MM and after the Ben Ten had Glock, Colt, Kimber, S&W( semi-auto and revolver), Ruger Blackhawk, etc. 10MMs. While I am a died-in-the-wool 1911 guy, I have come to prefer the S&Ws in 10MM over the 1911 types. The S&Ws, with their greater slide mass seem to handle the real 10MM ammo with boring reliability, but without Warp 9.5 slide velocities, heavy recoil springs, buffers, etc. of the 1911 10MM platform. Ps, "Real" 10MM to me means loads like Norma's original 200 grains at a chronographed ( in 5" bbl.) 1200+ FPS, Norma 170 at ~1300 FPS, Buffalo Bore 180 JHP at 1380 FPS, Winchester's 175 Silver Tip at 1270FPS, etc. or similar reloads...ymmv __________________ COTEP 640, NRA Life

January 9, 2013, 07:54 AM	#11
thedudeabides Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2012 Posts: 503	You pretty much summed it up--modern 10mm is VERY close to 40. Unless you reload or get hotter ammo. Which most modern 10mm's with a fully supported barrel can handle.

January 9, 2013, 10:59 AM	#12
The_Shadow Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2009 Location: Southeast LoUiSiAna Posts: 176	For those who have come to know and appreciate the 10mm for its ballistic ability we have this chart to give some indications of potential... Please feel free to visit the 10mmfirearms website for more info... http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10m...-ammo-history/ __________________ TheSHADOW The "10mm" I'm Packin', Has The Bullets Wackin', Smakin' & The Slide is Rackin' & Jackin'!

January 9, 2013, 01:31 PM	#13
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Posts: 4,764	I like to load my 10mm rounds with Power Pistol powder, as even if the bullets are moving at only .40 S&W velocities, I still get full 10mm-levels of shock and awe. Jeff Cooper's intent for the 10mm was a 200gr bullet with an impact velocity of 1000fps. Assuming a 50yd limit, that would be 1050fps at the muzzle. A far cry from the "magnum" rounds cooked-up by D&D and Norma.

January 9, 2013, 06:32 PM	#14
brian33x51 Member Join Date: January 24, 2005 Posts: 27	10mm is pretty sweet. I have a glock 20 (gen2?) which I blew the mag catch in half using reloads I bought at the range. Poor chamber support, be careful what you feed your glock! But it does feed reliably. I have a couple of 10mm EAA witnesses I love to shoot, the large frame CZ is great for me. I had to swap the compact over to a .40 barrel, the round is just too hot for it to handle reliably.