Do they make new production black powder muskets/rifles?

Kimio · December 11, 2012, 11:58 AM

I wasn't sure where to put this since this doesn't really fall under bolt or lever action rifles and certainly not semi autos. Please move this topic if it is in the wrong sub forum.

Admittedly I know very little about these types of firearms. But I was wondering if there are any companies out there that manufacture new production period accurate Muskets and old fashioned flintlock rifles.

These types of rifles have always intrigued me and their distinct involvement in the founding of our country.

Chiefly I was wondering about civil war era muskets and rifles, how expensive a "new production" rifle may cost, as well as how hard it would be to fine ammunition for it.

Slopemeno · December 11, 2012, 12:58 PM

Google Dixie Gun Works and Pedersoli Firearms.

DPris · December 11, 2012, 01:50 PM

Pedersoli is the largest maker, located in Italy.
Many models of long gun repros, good quality.
Dixie is a great source, there are other importers of various models.

"Ammunition" is loose blackpowder or substitute, lead balls, and either flint to strike a spark or percussion caps to produce ignition. All of which are readily available from coast to coast & can be bought, like the rifles, through the mail.
Denis

Kimio · December 11, 2012, 02:00 PM

Thank you for the replies. Is there anything special I should look into in regards to the care of these types of firearms? I imagine the means to clean them is a bit different than modern day firearms.

ole shooter · December 11, 2012, 04:30 PM

Most all big box type sporting goods stores carry black powder substitutes, but the real black powder is pretty expensive to ship due to the Haz Matt fees. I was pleased to find that at least in this area , Bass Pro has it but you have to ask for it. It is kept locked up in the back .There are a number of decent forums for the vintage front stuffers. Muzzle loading on the cheap is one that comes to mind. There are small builders that still build period rifles at a reasonable price. I trid to add a couple pictures of some of mine . ole shooter

DPris · December 11, 2012, 05:25 PM

Black powder is corrosive & guns using it have to be cleaned shortly after.
Regular cleaning compounds don't work, there are specialized BP cleaning solutions available, but Windex with vinegar works well & so does hot soapy water. If you use water, make sure you dry the gun & parts thoroughly & oil them.

Generally not necessary to use brushes, cotton patches in a slotted tip or on a jag work.
Pipe cleaners for nipples & flashpan touch holes.

DO NOT USE ANY PETROLEUM-BASED PATCH LUBE OR BULLET LUBE WITH BP!

Pyrodex, one of the oldest BP substitutes was originally touted as not needing immediate cleaning, but there have been rust problems & the guns still need to be cleaned not long after firing.

There are other BP substitutes that are less corrosive.
Denis

Slopemeno · December 11, 2012, 06:38 PM

I usually just cleaned mine with Dawn detergent and the hottest water the sink could produce. A very light wipe down with oil once done and it stayed rust free.

I never cleaned it after the last shooting session in the 80's. Amazingly, the only rust is around the nipple.

Jukar lock parts- where do I get them?

kilotanker22 · December 12, 2012, 12:48 AM

Yes there are several makers of such guns. Traditions, Lyman and church hill come to mind. Also there is a company here in Pennsylvania that makes them they are called the pa pellet rifle. Also you can find replica Pennsylvania long rifles with set triggers good walnut and excellent fancy stock inlay.

DPris · December 12, 2012, 12:54 AM

Traditions & Lyman don't make their own.
Denis

tahunua001 · December 12, 2012, 01:27 AM

traditions makes buildem yourself kits. you can do both flintlock and caplock Kentucky rifles and hawken style as well as black powder pistols. if you are looking for guns that include bayonet lugs then I doubt you'll be able to find one outside of a prop studio.

however for the record as a C&R collector I feel inclined to inform the OP that the terms reproduction/current production and period correct are oxymorons. you can not have a period correct reproduction.
also there is a black powder forum here on TFL.

DPris · December 12, 2012, 04:18 AM

Been my understanding Traditions is an importer/marketer, not a manufacturer.

Denis

stevelyn · December 12, 2012, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Traditions & Lyman don't make their own.

Not sure about Traditions, but Lyman's BP guns are made by Investarm in Italy.

December 11, 2012, 11:58 AM	#1
Kimio Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2011 Location: Utah Posts: 617	Do they make new production black powder muskets/rifles? I wasn't sure where to put this since this doesn't really fall under bolt or lever action rifles and certainly not semi autos. Please move this topic if it is in the wrong sub forum. Admittedly I know very little about these types of firearms. But I was wondering if there are any companies out there that manufacture new production period accurate Muskets and old fashioned flintlock rifles. These types of rifles have always intrigued me and their distinct involvement in the founding of our country. Chiefly I was wondering about civil war era muskets and rifles, how expensive a "new production" rifle may cost, as well as how hard it would be to fine ammunition for it.

December 12, 2012, 01:27 AM	#10
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,602	traditions makes buildem yourself kits. you can do both flintlock and caplock Kentucky rifles and hawken style as well as black powder pistols. if you are looking for guns that include bayonet lugs then I doubt you'll be able to find one outside of a prop studio. however for the record as a C&R collector I feel inclined to inform the OP that the terms reproduction/current production and period correct are oxymorons. you can not have a period correct reproduction. also there is a black powder forum here on TFL. __________________ all guns lost in a tragic smelting accident. I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.

December 11, 2012, 12:58 PM	#2
Slopemeno Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2007 Posts: 2,109	Google Dixie Gun Works and Pedersoli Firearms.

December 11, 2012, 01:50 PM	#3
DPris Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 3,777	Pedersoli is the largest maker, located in Italy. Many models of long gun repros, good quality. Dixie is a great source, there are other importers of various models. "Ammunition" is loose blackpowder or substitute, lead balls, and either flint to strike a spark or percussion caps to produce ignition. All of which are readily available from coast to coast & can be bought, like the rifles, through the mail. Denis

December 11, 2012, 02:00 PM	#4
Kimio Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2011 Location: Utah Posts: 617	Thank you for the replies. Is there anything special I should look into in regards to the care of these types of firearms? I imagine the means to clean them is a bit different than modern day firearms.

December 11, 2012, 05:25 PM	#6
DPris Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 3,777	Black powder is corrosive & guns using it have to be cleaned shortly after. Regular cleaning compounds don't work, there are specialized BP cleaning solutions available, but Windex with vinegar works well & so does hot soapy water. If you use water, make sure you dry the gun & parts thoroughly & oil them. Generally not necessary to use brushes, cotton patches in a slotted tip or on a jag work. Pipe cleaners for nipples & flashpan touch holes. DO NOT USE ANY PETROLEUM-BASED PATCH LUBE OR BULLET LUBE WITH BP! Pyrodex, one of the oldest BP substitutes was originally touted as not needing immediate cleaning, but there have been rust problems & the guns still need to be cleaned not long after firing. There are other BP substitutes that are less corrosive. Denis

December 11, 2012, 06:38 PM	#7
Slopemeno Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2007 Posts: 2,109	I usually just cleaned mine with Dawn detergent and the hottest water the sink could produce. A very light wipe down with oil once done and it stayed rust free. I never cleaned it after the last shooting session in the 80's. Amazingly, the only rust is around the nipple. Jukar lock parts- where do I get them?

December 12, 2012, 12:48 AM	#8
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Posts: 193	Yes there are several makers of such guns. Traditions, Lyman and church hill come to mind. Also there is a company here in Pennsylvania that makes them they are called the pa pellet rifle. Also you can find replica Pennsylvania long rifles with set triggers good walnut and excellent fancy stock inlay.

December 12, 2012, 12:54 AM	#9
DPris Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 3,777	Traditions & Lyman don't make their own. Denis

December 12, 2012, 04:18 AM	#11
DPris Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 3,777	Been my understanding Traditions is an importer/marketer, not a manufacturer. Denis