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Old December 7, 2012, 03:07 PM   #1
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primers ?

I have always used CCI #400 small rifle primers in my AR. If you could not get any CCI primers, what primer would you go with ?
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Old December 7, 2012, 03:09 PM   #2
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Wolf.. Wideners has them for $14/1000

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Old December 7, 2012, 03:32 PM   #3
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1st CCI , Started using them for handgun loads 30 some years ago and it’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks

2nd Winchester , Favorite for some rifle loads

3rd Remington , Always worked well but cost more than others

4th Federal , Work well when I have used them but I hate that stupid oversize box
5th Wolf , I have not tried them yet
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Old December 7, 2012, 04:37 PM   #4
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Are Tula and Wolf the same primers?

I shoot 22lr a bunch and Wolf rimfire ammo is very well respected in 22lr circles.

The Wolf and Tula primers are inexpensive.
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Old December 7, 2012, 04:41 PM   #5
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I wouldn't use Wolf ...if they were free...

My choices....CCI, Win or Remington...I wouldn't use Federal either...
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Old December 7, 2012, 05:10 PM   #6
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If I have to use other than CCI primers will I have to wqork up my loads again ?
The reason I ask is because I have my 45 acp loads worked up with CCI and once the lgs was out of them and I tried Federal and wow I was shocked to see my groups open up. My groups went right back to normal when I got CCI primers again.
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Old December 7, 2012, 05:14 PM   #7
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I've always used Remington or CCI. I have never had a primer fail in any firearm AR or otherwise.
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Old December 7, 2012, 07:51 PM   #8
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I love CCI primers. If I had to use anything else....well I'd wait and find some CCI primers somewhere.

If you change any component of your load, you should do another workup. Whether its bullet, brass, primer, or powder. Anyone of those change from a workup you did, you should do another workup.
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Old December 7, 2012, 09:23 PM   #9
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I'd go with whatever I could find and work a load up that works with them.

My AR's have seen a lot of Winchester SR primers and currently are fed a steady diet of Wolf SRM primers. That was the Wolf primer recommended for AR's before they started marketing their 223 and 556 versions...
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Old December 8, 2012, 01:39 AM   #10
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Had lots of FTF with Wolf SPP, but I imagine the rifle primers would ignite better.
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Old December 8, 2012, 09:50 AM   #11
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If you change a component you work up a load. If you change lot numbers then you should retest.

Wolf and Tula are made in same Russian plant. I've had zero SPP failures of either of these two brands to date. I'll will mention they are tight in pockets and must be seated properly.
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Old December 8, 2012, 10:59 AM   #12
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If you have trouble with Tula/Wolf primers, (spp) it's your gun, not the primers. I have run over 20,000 Tula primers in compettion in my pistols in the last three years, nary a prob.

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Old December 8, 2012, 11:54 AM   #13
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200 more Tula SR primers this morning without an issue. So far I've shot 2000 Wolf and another 1000 Tula's. Not a single failure. I'll buy more.
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Old December 8, 2012, 12:21 PM   #14
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I've used over 20,000 Wolf large pistol, small pistol, and small rifle primers since I started using them 2 years ago. No problems, not a single mis-fire with them.

They do seem a little harder than the Winchesters that I used to use, so if you're into reduced-power hammer springs it could possibly be interesting. But I use small rifle primers on most of my small primer pistol loads and have never had any problems.
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Old December 10, 2012, 02:52 PM   #15
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The Russian primers are good. Not a single issue with them in my AR yet. Suppose to be very good primers for rifles. I believe, not 100%, the Wolf and Tul Ammo are same primers? I got the KVB556M primers and like them. Dirt cheap so I can shoot more. Wideners has the Wolf for $14 a case right now and have them in stock
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Old December 10, 2012, 03:29 PM   #16
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My order of preference is:

1. Winchester

2. Remington

3. Federal

277. CCI
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Old December 10, 2012, 03:38 PM   #17
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Per your other post indirectly on this topic via report, because of your powder choice I would use the CCI #41 or 450 and not the 400. Yes you want to work the load up again, but because you would be sticking to H335, you could save time if you have a chronograph. Matching velocity in your own gun with only the primer changed, you really only need to back the load off 5% to work back up. The chronograph will quickly tell you if you are exceeding the velocity of the original loads as you step up. 2% steps are OK for pressure checking, so this is just 6 rounds you need to shoot and check for pressure signs. TulAmmo's NATO spec KVB556M primer should also be good and is military sensitivity spec like the #41 for AR actions.
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Old December 10, 2012, 03:45 PM   #18
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Wolf makes solid primers, and the deal at Widener's right now is smoking. Wish I'd have seen it before I placed my order a week ago at Brownell's.

I have now learned to double check my sources.
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Old December 10, 2012, 06:52 PM   #19
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For the past 15 years I have used Winchester primers. No particular reason, just used them. I can not recall one failure to fire in my reloads. Not one. Recently I tried Remington Bench Rest primers in my .223 reloads. Very noticeable improvement in accuracy. I may switch to Remington.
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Old December 10, 2012, 08:46 PM   #20
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Wolf had a bad run of SPP with failure rates as high as 10% a few years back. I thought they quit selling SPP because of it and Tula took over. The primers went from brass color to silver and QC went off a cliff.
I still use Wolf LPP for practice ammo, but they are the brass color. I was getting them for $15.50 per K from Powder Valley and never had a LPP failure.
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Old December 10, 2012, 09:29 PM   #21
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are CCI # 41 primers a magnum primer as well as having a harder cup ?
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Old December 10, 2012, 09:50 PM   #22
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Yes, more or less.
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Old December 10, 2012, 10:00 PM   #23
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Yes, the CCI #41 is the exact same primer as a CCI 450, except the anvil feet are slightly shortened to meet the military sensitivity spec. The TulAmmo KVB556M is also a magnum primer, though I don't know how it achieves the NATO sensitivity spec so as to distinguish it from the KVB223M which is their standard sensitivity small rifle magnum primer.

CCI reformulated their magnum primers in 1989 specifically to work well with WC844, WC846, and WC852, as used by our military in 5.56 NATO, 7.62 NATO, and .30-06, respectively, and sold in burn rate controlled canister grade by Hodgdon as H335, BL-(C)2, and H380, respectively.
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Old December 11, 2012, 06:07 AM   #24
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Are the Wolf and Tulammo's primers at all corrosive or is there any down side to them ?
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Old December 11, 2012, 09:24 AM   #25
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They are not corrosive.

I've used Wolf on .223/5.56 for the last 3 years without any problems. Just had 10k of them delivered yesterday. They are good primers.
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