10,000rds Without a Malfunction (WWG/Colt AR) - Page 2

TacticalDefense1911 · February 8, 2012, 10:39 PM

AR's don't even need to be clean to run...

http://www.slip2000.com/art-swat2.html

dvdcrr · February 9, 2012, 12:21 AM

to the original post:

.......and yet if the mag isn't top notch its a single shot. AK on the other hand: go the pawn shop and buy the cheapest milsurp mags you can find and your rifle will run like a champion.

TacticalDefense1911 · February 9, 2012, 07:40 AM

And an AK is lucky to hit a pie plate at 100 yards... I'll take sub MOA accuracy and throwing away GI magazines over owning a rattle trap put together by some 10 year old in a third world country any day of the week.

darkgael · February 9, 2012, 08:45 AM

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I have a Colt HBAR that is now 26 years old. While it isn't always my primary match rifle, I don't recall it ever jamming.....

+1. That has been my experience. Mine is not quite as old - maybe 20 years - it has never FTF'd.
Pete

Bartholomew Roberts · February 9, 2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dvdcrr

.......and yet if the mag isn't top notch its a single shot.

I'm not going to drag this off into yet another stupid "this rifle vs. that rifle" thread. There certainly seem to be enough of those that we don't need to hijack this thread.

However, you argue that the magazine must be "top notch." It looks like B. Lahey is using $14 PMAGs, which are good quality mags, and hasn't had any problems in 11,000 rounds, which represents a fair amount of shooting and use. I'm not sure how you are defining "top notch"; but it looks like the rifle runs well with commonly available, easily affordable, magazines.

Skadoosh · February 9, 2012, 10:50 AM

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Is that Wild West Guns in anchorage?

Indeed. Kenny used to post here constantly, but has been MIA. I hope he didn't get trampled by a moose or something.

Kenny (aka Wild Alaska) got the boot from TFL forum...I believe he is over at the 24hourcampfire these days.

B. Lahey · December 1, 2012, 08:36 PM

Spent all afternoon at the range, the mongrel Colt A4gery is now at well over 12,000rds without a stoppage of any sort.

breakingcontact · December 1, 2012, 09:24 PM

Colt FTW!

B. Lahey · January 8, 2013, 10:16 PM

Been shooting the A4gery a lot this winter, I put an ACOG on it so shooting it feels a bit new and amusing. Hopefully I won't have to slow down too much with the ammo shortage, but I may if things don't loosen up by the spring/summer.

Now over 13,000 rounds without a hiccup.

Looks like others are having good luck with brass ammo as well:
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/bras...ammo/#reliable

Metal god · January 9, 2013, 03:46 AM

Hey I saw this post awhile back and did not post . I now want to make sure I understand you correctlly . 13,000 rounds with out one FTF , feed jam , FTE ?

PatientWolf · January 9, 2013, 08:13 AM

The way the prices are going on ammo, they won't be able to afford to try.

B. Lahey · January 9, 2013, 11:22 AM

Heck, I can barely afford to shoot this much now, and I stocked up at decent prices and only shoot about 300 rounds per month, it just stacks up over time. If the drought doesn't break by summer I will have to slow down a lot.

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Hey I saw this post awhile back and did not post . I now want to make sure I understand you correctlly . 13,000 rounds with out one FTF , feed jam , FTE ?

Yep.

saltydog452 · January 9, 2013, 01:13 PM

I am a current AR rookie, a certifiable geezer, and come with some pre-conceived notions about the '16.

Is the 1:7" twist the man attraction of the current platform?...the bolt assist?...or?

The original post had to do with a purpose built AR. What is the relevance to RFI (Ready For Issue), off the rack rifles?

As stated before, I am ignorant and come with some excess baggage. Can't learn if I don't ask.

Thanks,

salty

B. Lahey · January 9, 2013, 03:49 PM

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Is the 1:7" twist the man attraction of the current platform?...the bolt assist?...or?

1:7" is nice for shooting the 75-77gr open tip match (OTM) loads, which I shoot quite a bit of. I think the military went to 1:7" for the M856 tracer, which is quite a long projectile, and it came in handy later when Mk262 (77gr OTM), Optimized 70gr TSX, and other long projectiles came into use.

The forward assist has plusses and minuses. It can be used to be sure the bolt is fully in battery after a chamber check. It can also be used to cram a damaged or out of spec round into the chamber when that round should really be shucked out and discarded.

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The original post had to do with a purpose built AR. What is the relevance to RFI (Ready For Issue), off the rack rifles?

The rifle in question is essentially a semiauto Colt M16A4 (used mostly by the Marines), but I understand that its performance is not unusual when compared to other Colt products and other ARs from quality manufacturers. If you get something in the milspec or better ballpark, you seem to be able to expect nearly flawless performance if you lubricate your rifle and stay away from steel-cased ammunition.

greyeyezz · January 9, 2013, 04:22 PM

Will you have the same reliability without spraying the BCG with CLP?

Not being a goof as I'm not an AR owner, legitimate question.

B. Lahey · January 9, 2013, 08:15 PM

I have no idea. I only lube it and wipe some of the carbon off the guts every 600 rounds or so. Others have already established that ARs don't run as well without lube, and it's no big deal to dribble some in there every so often.

My kalashnikovs and M14 need lube to function properly as well. This isn't a trait unique to ARs, unfortunately.

Ben Towe · January 9, 2013, 08:19 PM

ARs generally like to run wet, for whatever reason.

ben_raines · January 10, 2013, 04:03 AM

I carried a 16A1 from '76 to '83 for Uncle Sugar, from the Arctic Circle to the Mojave Desert. I did pay attention in basic to the DS's about proper care and regular maintenance, but it is impossible, even in peace time, to maintain that type of regimine that the 'experts' say you have to have for a 16 to work right. But, I still personally never had a malfunction with any of the issued rifles I used during my time in service. A few problems with aged magazines did show up, but that is not the rifles fault.

I had the opp to buy a Colt A2 pattern AR in '94 and jumped on it. 20", 1:9, HBAR Match, and have fired it every time Ive gone to the range or gravel pit to shoot, and out on the prairie to reduce the danger of prairie dog over-population and general varmit removal. I have no clue how many rounds I have put down the tube, and don't really want to think about the cost of those rounds. I have had zero, nada, zilch, nyet (for the AK boys), nein, and nix malfunctions with this rifle. One magazine i got at a surplus store went to the recyclers for giving me trouble though.

stubbicatt · January 10, 2013, 09:51 PM

That is remarkable performance from an AR15. Or any rifle for that matter.

Good on you.

December 1, 2012, 08:36 PM	#32
B. Lahey Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,811	Update Spent all afternoon at the range, the mongrel Colt A4gery is now at well over 12,000rds without a stoppage of any sort. __________________ "A human being is primarily a bag for putting food into; the other functions and faculties may be more godlike, but in point of time they come afterwards." -George Orwell

January 8, 2013, 10:16 PM	#34
B. Lahey Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,811	Update Been shooting the A4gery a lot this winter, I put an ACOG on it so shooting it feels a bit new and amusing. Hopefully I won't have to slow down too much with the ammo shortage, but I may if things don't loosen up by the spring/summer. Now over 13,000 rounds without a hiccup. Looks like others are having good luck with brass ammo as well: http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/bras...ammo/#reliable __________________ "A human being is primarily a bag for putting food into; the other functions and faculties may be more godlike, but in point of time they come afterwards." -George Orwell

January 9, 2013, 03:46 AM	#35
Metal god Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 1,018	Hey I saw this post awhile back and did not post . I now want to make sure I understand you correctlly . 13,000 rounds with out one FTF , feed jam , FTE ? __________________ http://imageshack.us/a/img191/8878/guns200.jpg Happyness !

January 9, 2013, 08:13 AM	#36
PatientWolf Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Location: NC Posts: 222	Few people will be able to repeat this reliability... The way the prices are going on ammo, they won't be able to afford to try.

January 9, 2013, 01:13 PM	#38
saltydog452 Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2004 Posts: 436	That custom AR build with 1:7" twist I am a current AR rookie, a certifiable geezer, and come with some pre-conceived notions about the '16. Is the 1:7" twist the man attraction of the current platform?...the bolt assist?...or? The original post had to do with a purpose built AR. What is the relevance to RFI (Ready For Issue), off the rack rifles? As stated before, I am ignorant and come with some excess baggage. Can't learn if I don't ask. Thanks, salty __________________ Bread and Circuses don't pay the Bills.

February 8, 2012, 10:39 PM	#26
TacticalDefense1911 Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,254	AR's don't even need to be clean to run... http://www.slip2000.com/art-swat2.html

February 9, 2012, 12:21 AM	#27
dvdcrr Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2010 Posts: 183	to the original post: .......and yet if the mag isn't top notch its a single shot. AK on the other hand: go the pawn shop and buy the cheapest milsurp mags you can find and your rifle will run like a champion.

February 9, 2012, 07:40 AM	#28
TacticalDefense1911 Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,254	And an AK is lucky to hit a pie plate at 100 yards... I'll take sub MOA accuracy and throwing away GI magazines over owning a rattle trap put together by some 10 year old in a third world country any day of the week.

December 1, 2012, 09:24 PM	#33
breakingcontact Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 639	Colt FTW!

January 9, 2013, 04:22 PM	#40
greyeyezz Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2001 Location: N.E. OH Posts: 304	Will you have the same reliability without spraying the BCG with CLP? Not being a goof as I'm not an AR owner, legitimate question.

January 9, 2013, 08:15 PM	#41
B. Lahey Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,811	I have no idea. I only lube it and wipe some of the carbon off the guts every 600 rounds or so. Others have already established that ARs don't run as well without lube, and it's no big deal to dribble some in there every so often. My kalashnikovs and M14 need lube to function properly as well. This isn't a trait unique to ARs, unfortunately. __________________ "A human being is primarily a bag for putting food into; the other functions and faculties may be more godlike, but in point of time they come afterwards." -George Orwell

January 9, 2013, 08:19 PM	#42
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 974	ARs generally like to run wet, for whatever reason. __________________ I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.-Thomas Jefferson I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.-Euripides

January 10, 2013, 04:03 AM	#43
ben_raines Junior Member Join Date: July 4, 2012 Location: Texas panhandle Posts: 9	I carried a 16A1 from '76 to '83 for Uncle Sugar, from the Arctic Circle to the Mojave Desert. I did pay attention in basic to the DS's about proper care and regular maintenance, but it is impossible, even in peace time, to maintain that type of regimine that the 'experts' say you have to have for a 16 to work right. But, I still personally never had a malfunction with any of the issued rifles I used during my time in service. A few problems with aged magazines did show up, but that is not the rifles fault. I had the opp to buy a Colt A2 pattern AR in '94 and jumped on it. 20", 1:9, HBAR Match, and have fired it every time Ive gone to the range or gravel pit to shoot, and out on the prairie to reduce the danger of prairie dog over-population and general varmit removal. I have no clue how many rounds I have put down the tube, and don't really want to think about the cost of those rounds. I have had zero, nada, zilch, nyet (for the AK boys), nein, and nix malfunctions with this rifle. One magazine i got at a surplus store went to the recyclers for giving me trouble though. __________________ "The hardest to learn is the least complicated"...Emily Saliers

January 10, 2013, 09:51 PM	#44
stubbicatt Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Posts: 776	That is remarkable performance from an AR15. Or any rifle for that matter. Good on you.