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Old November 8, 2012, 09:47 AM   #1
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Tired of crud in my gun!

Fire 100 factory FMJ, my gun looks fine. Put the same LRN with Universal, PB, 231 or Unique through it and I have to break out the picks and scrape off the buildup around the bolt face. The feed ramp looks like a skunk's back.

Any powders out there that burn cleaner?
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Old November 8, 2012, 09:52 AM   #2
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IMO, Unique is a bit on the dirty side.

I've been using Bullseye for 9mm - burns fast and fairly easy cleanup

What caliber are you loading and what bullets are you using?
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Old November 8, 2012, 11:55 AM   #3
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I could never get away from the crude buildup shooting cast bullets no matter what gun or powder I use--I think it's just a part of shooting cast.
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Old November 8, 2012, 11:59 AM   #4
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Power Pistol burns cleaner than any of those you mentioned that I have used .... never used PB ..... and I have NEVER had a dirtier bore than when I shot 50 LRN bullets (factory) after shooting jacketed. I swore off lead. Plated are not that much more expensive.
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Old November 8, 2012, 01:00 PM   #5
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The culprit is the lube on the cast bullets. Not very hard to get out with Hoppes.
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Old November 8, 2012, 02:31 PM   #6
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+1 Moxie's got it. It's the generous shot of lube in the ring that make shooting cast a viable proposition. Those alox coated rounds might be less messy. I've only tried .38 HBWC lubed that way. The problem with Unique is it doesn't burn clean in light charges. So light target loads are positively smokey. When I load 148gr DEWC with a charge of unique at 5 grains and up, the gun runs much cleaner. These rounds need to upset a little, so the load works out.
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Old November 8, 2012, 07:35 PM   #7
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If ALL of those powders gave you incredibly nasty buildup in your firearm(s), I would suspect one or more of the following:

1. It's the bullet (and/or its lube), not the powder.
2. You're running insanely light loads, and need to step it up a bit.
3. The lubricant you're using for the firearm(s) is collecting far too much crap, and should be changed.

You shouldn't have to scrape your pistols clean, after running lead bullets.
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Old November 8, 2012, 09:57 PM   #8
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The culprit is the lube on the cast bullets. Not very hard to get out with Hoppes.
Not only does the bullet lube on the cast bullets leave waxy carbon deposits (which hurt nothing), it makes for noticeable (compared to jacketed bullets), smoke when firing. You can have clean (jacketed bullets) or you can have dirty (cast bullets), but low-cost.
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Old November 8, 2012, 10:20 PM   #9
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What cartridge are you loading ?
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Old November 8, 2012, 10:37 PM   #10
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Switch to plated bullets if the crud is bugging you. In my experience Universal is far cleaner than anything loaded in factory ammo. If factory ammo isn't fouling your gun like your reloads its the lead bullets/lube, not the powder. Universal and plated bullets in my guns = clean shooting.
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Old November 8, 2012, 10:54 PM   #11
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9mm, Lee 125 RN, JPW/mineral spirits tumble lubed.

So all that black crap in my gun is from the lube? I may try Power pistol just for the heck of it.
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Old November 8, 2012, 11:04 PM   #12
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If you're tumble-lubing with JPW, I would say the lube is definitely a big contributor. The additional carbon residue just happens to stick to it very easily.
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Old November 8, 2012, 11:08 PM   #13
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Well you have had some good responses here. To light of a load produces powder residue, and some powders smoke the lube worst than others. And some bullet lubes are just a mess regardless the charge.
As far as powder goes VV n330 and WSF are very clean but the bullet lube maybe the deciding factor here.
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Old November 9, 2012, 03:06 AM   #14
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If w231 or Bullseye is too dirty a powder in any loading for a .38 special, 9mm or .45acp, then I'd recommend a career move into air guns.
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Old November 10, 2012, 11:36 AM   #15
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Unique ?

LMAO, I started out loading my 45 with Unique, Have since heard this powder referred to as "Flammable Dirt", and I would agree. since switched to Clay's, much cleaner, Enjoy you shoot !
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Old November 10, 2012, 07:35 PM   #16
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I may switch back to Universal. Any powders known for burning cleaner at lower charge weights?
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Old November 10, 2012, 08:14 PM   #17
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VV N310.
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Old November 10, 2012, 08:48 PM   #18
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As noted it is the lead bullets and lube. Switch to a plated lead bullet. These are much cheaper then jacketed bullets.
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Old November 10, 2012, 08:55 PM   #19
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As noted it is the lead bullets and lube. Switch to a plated lead bullet. These are much cheaper then jacketed bullets.
Plated or jacketed will result in a cleaner handgun.

I find I can buy 115 gr. Jacketed for less than any plated bullets. YMMV
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Old November 11, 2012, 06:18 PM   #20
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Switch to a plated bullet and try AA #5
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Old November 12, 2012, 10:46 AM   #21
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+1 on the VV powders

To be honest, unless you are casting your own lead bullets I agree with those that say just shoot plated or jacketed. For .380/9mm it is easy to stay in the 7-8cent range for plated, and 9 cents for jacketed. The lead that I shoot I do so for accuracy reasons, not cost. My SR1911 and my wife's SP101 prefer lead so lead they get. I am phasing out the lead in my .380s/9mms because I am seeing the same or better results with plated.
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