New Beretta 92FS factory vs. combat sight

TenTrigger · August 16, 2011, 11:08 PM

Hi all. I am new to the forum and new to my 92FS. I consider myself a competent shooter. I am frustrated with the sights on the 92FS. It came with a fixed rear sight and shot low so I had a factory Beretta adjustable rear combat sight installed today thinking I could dial this out and now it shoots high with the sight set as low as it can be adjusted. The adjustable does sit quite a bit higher than the factory fixed sight.

I have never had this problem with any other gun I have owned or shot. I have read other posts here and in other forums saying you have to line up the front sight dot with the top of the rear sight or that you have to aim low or high. I think it is rediculous that you would have to aim high or low... when you put the dot on the bulls eye that's where the bullet should hit... up to a certain distance of course. With an adjustable sight you should be able to setup your gun so that the point of impact is covered by or at the top of the front sight... shooters preference.

I have fired around 200 rounds so it far so I have had some practice. Those rounds have been at 10 yards. Is this expecting too much from a 9mm? Do I need to move closer? I shoot my Ruger MK III at this range all the time and can practically drive nails with it. I know this is a totally different animal than a .22 but I have shot .40 and 9mm handguns before with much better results. Anyone alse experience this?

labhound · August 17, 2011, 12:42 AM

My 92fs Inox shoots POA/POI with original factory sights. Line all three dots up and put them in the center of your target. I usually shoot from 7 to 25 yards.

sigcurious · August 17, 2011, 01:05 AM

Did you shoot it from a rest or have someone else shoot it before switching out the sights, to confirm it was the sights and not something related to adjusting to a new pistol?

Jamas · August 17, 2011, 01:51 AM

What kind of ammo are you shooting?
Cheap/ bulk ammo sometimes is over/under loaded causing problems.
My 92fs shoots poa... or whatever the bullet goes where the dot is pointing.

TenTrigger · August 17, 2011, 08:31 AM

Thanks for the replies.

I have tried shooting from the bench but not an actual rest. One friend shot it but had not shot a pistol in over 10 years... He did better than me actually so that should tell me something. I may just need some more practice and/or to change my style.

My last time out I was using bulk Winchester 115gr FMJ. I will have to try some good 124 or higher to see the result.

I figured an adjustable sight could not hurt even if it is mostly me or the ammo causing the accuracy problem but am concerned about the fact the it is adjusted all the way down and consistantly shoots high.

Thanks again for the input.

zincwarrior · August 17, 2011, 08:56 AM

200 rounds is just starting and it sounds like you need more practice before you and your new friend are best buds.

I'd suggest shooting a few hundred more rounds through it. Every 150-200 resight it, but try free hand holding when shooting it (how you have it on a rest is often significantly different than holding it). Shoot 3-5 at the exact same location and you should start to see a pattern grouping and can adjust your sight. Its not perfect but it may be more helpful then bench sighting.

After some time if you are still shooting high and the sight cannot be depressed further then you may need a different adjustable sight.
There are a plethora of after market sights including non adjustable and adjustable night sights, etc.

I'll not mine shot about 2 inches high at 7 yards and put simple adjustable sights on for $20 - problem solved.

ShipWreck · August 17, 2011, 03:47 PM

You do know that the stock Beretta sights use #3, NOT #2 or #1

This is the common issue some shoot low with the 92....

zincwarrior · August 17, 2011, 04:13 PM

Er #3 what?

Coltman 77 · August 17, 2011, 05:56 PM

Most European pistols are sighted in for the "Cover Up Hold" (#3) while American pistols, generally suggest the 6 o'clock hold.

If you read the Operators Manual that comes with your pistol, it will explain your sights and how they should be used.

Good luck.

ShipWreck · August 17, 2011, 06:45 PM

Every semi auto I have had in the past several years has used sight picture #3, and it works for me all the time. See it discussed on many other forums as well.

#3 is what I used for all eight of my 92s

I also see it commented on at the Beretta forum... COVER the target with the front dot

sigcurious · August 17, 2011, 07:20 PM

Just put 100 rounds through an M9 while I was at the range today out of curiosity, dot/front sight(dot was worn off the range gun) over the target like #3 definitely worked on that specific pistol. Same way I shoot my sig FWIW.

Which site picture have you been using Ten?

Sidenote: dangit, now I have another pistol on the "I want it" list.

TenTrigger · August 18, 2011, 10:48 AM

Shipwreck, thanks for the images. This helps. I have been ligning up the dots in a horizontal plane but not putting the dot directly on the target. I am used to the #2 setup on my MK III I guess. Will have to hit the range today and see what happens.

Brian48 · August 18, 2011, 11:52 AM

#3 is what I have to use with my 92fs as well. Maybe because my 92fs is the Italian made version? I wonder if the sites are regulated differently for the US made versions. In any case, I really wish Beretta use the same dual-dot siting system found on the regular M9 versus the 3 dot system with the commercial 92fs. I much prefer the latter as that is what I was used to in the USMC.

ShipWreck · August 18, 2011, 12:42 PM

Quote:

#3 is what I have to use with my 92fs as well. Maybe because my 92fs is the Italian made version? I wonder if the sites are regulated differently for the US made versions.

No, I have several of each (8 total - several USA made ones and several Italians). They all aim the same.

I personally do not care for the M9 sights, though. I like the 3 dot picture better.

It is actually the same rear sight on both guns, though. They just put paint in a different place, depending on it being a 92FS or an M9

sigcurious · August 18, 2011, 02:26 PM

Ahh that explains why I didn't see 3 dots on the M9. I just thought all of them were worn off being that it was a range gun.

TenTrigger · August 19, 2011, 01:14 PM

Just got back from the range. Good news... I am definately improving. I was able to keep a 6" grouping at 10 yards where I was all over the place before. I still suck but am improving. Bad news... the Beretta combat sight installed on the 92FS is not good. I was having to aim low or keep the front dot almost out of sight at the bottom of the rear sight... not good.

I have come to the conclusion that the Beretta adjustable combat sight is no good for the FS92 as the front sight is too low and not replacable. The combat sight sits a full 1/8" higher (center of the white dots) than the factory installed two dot rear sight. Not being able to depress the combat sight any further negates the elevation adjustability of the sight. Windage is still adjustable but I usually set that and forget it.

The sight itself is really good quality and would work well on a 92A1 or other model with a replaceble front sight as long as the dovetail is the same size. I am going to put it up for sale (possibly on ebay) and go back to the factory sight. If anyone is interrested let me know, i'm thinking around $40. In hind sight (which is always 20 20) I was too hasty to replace the factory sight... live and learn.

This is the sight... http://www.midwestgunworks.com/mm5/m..._Code=A-3-0010

Thanks everyone for your input on this subject, definately helped a 9mil noob!

mbgolfer05 · December 15, 2011, 10:55 AM

Ten-Trigger, thanks for the sight information. I was just about to click on "Buy" for that very sight, but I'm going to hold off now.

kraigwy · December 15, 2011, 11:25 AM

Using Shipwreck's diagram, I use #1 with my 92FS. I shoot cast bullets in the 124 grn category (actually mine cast a tad heavier, more like 128 grns with wheel weights).

What I did do, was to dab some florescent orange paint where the front dot is. I can see and line up the orange better then the white.

texagun · December 16, 2011, 03:47 PM

One of these might help you diagnose your shooting:

big_cigar · February 4, 2012, 08:43 PM

I have a new Beretta 92 FS. The 3 dots were hard for me to see so I installed a new rear 2 dot combat sight. It is higher that the fixed front sight and I am shooting high. I brought it to my gunsmith to figure out what to do. It needs some type of a cap on the front sight to raise it up. Any thoughts from anyone?
Thanks

Spindrift · October 19, 2012, 06:22 PM

Old thread, but good info. I have had my 92 fs Inox 9mm for almost a year now. The first steel/moving target comp I shot I used an almost stock S&W Sigma .40 . I came in 8th out of 25 shooters. After a LOT of research I chose the Inox 9 for a new competition gun. It took a LOT of practice for me to fall back into the top ten. Now that I have ruled everything else out, I'm looking for some better sights that I can see. Like on the cheaper Sigma. Those sights practically aim themselves. Big black thick sights with bright white dots. I hate having to look for the Beretta front sight I use sight picture #1 on all my pistols, including the 92 fs and if I bench shoot it's right on. But when the clock is running, the factory sights don't cut it. Does anyone have a link for these combat sights mentioned in this thread?

Since this thread is old (I found it in a google search) is there a new hot sight system I should be looking at? I love everything about the Inox except the sights and want something that works no matter what. Thanks for any help.

pete2 · October 26, 2012, 05:14 PM

I have a SS model 92FS. It shot low when new, I called Beretta and they blew me off. I finally found a Novak taller rear for it, now shoots point of aim. I'd rather it be an inch or 2 high at 25YD but That would mean an even taller sight if I can find one. It is a great pistol but no more Berettas for me, I don't continue doing business with companys that blow me off like they did.

August 17, 2011, 03:47 PM	#7
ShipWreck Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,596	You do know that the stock Beretta sights use #3, NOT #2 or #1 This is the common issue some shoot low with the 92.... __________________ - Visit: Texas Gun Forum!!!!

August 17, 2011, 05:56 PM	#9
Coltman 77 Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2009 Location: NC Posts: 1,224	Most European pistols are sighted in for the "Cover Up Hold" (#3) while American pistols, generally suggest the 6 o'clock hold. If you read the Operators Manual that comes with your pistol, it will explain your sights and how they should be used. Good luck. __________________ "A man can be destroyed but not defeated". Ernest Hemingway Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights -- Join the NRA

August 17, 2011, 06:45 PM	#10
ShipWreck Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,596	Every semi auto I have had in the past several years has used sight picture #3, and it works for me all the time. See it discussed on many other forums as well. #3 is what I used for all eight of my 92s I also see it commented on at the Beretta forum... COVER the target with the front dot __________________ - Visit: Texas Gun Forum!!!!

August 18, 2011, 11:52 AM	#13
Brian48 Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2001 Location: Boston, People's Republic of MA Posts: 1,234	#3 is what I have to use with my 92fs as well. Maybe because my 92fs is the Italian made version? I wonder if the sites are regulated differently for the US made versions. In any case, I really wish Beretta use the same dual-dot siting system found on the regular M9 versus the 3 dot system with the commercial 92fs. I much prefer the latter as that is what I was used to in the USMC. __________________ Proud to have served.

December 15, 2011, 10:55 AM	#17
mbgolfer05 Junior Member Join Date: December 15, 2011 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1	Thanks for the Update on the rear sight Ten-Trigger, thanks for the sight information. I was just about to click on "Buy" for that very sight, but I'm going to hold off now.

August 16, 2011, 11:08 PM	#1
TenTrigger Junior Member Join Date: August 16, 2011 Posts: 5	New Beretta 92FS factory vs. combat sight Hi all. I am new to the forum and new to my 92FS. I consider myself a competent shooter. I am frustrated with the sights on the 92FS. It came with a fixed rear sight and shot low so I had a factory Beretta adjustable rear combat sight installed today thinking I could dial this out and now it shoots high with the sight set as low as it can be adjusted. The adjustable does sit quite a bit higher than the factory fixed sight. I have never had this problem with any other gun I have owned or shot. I have read other posts here and in other forums saying you have to line up the front sight dot with the top of the rear sight or that you have to aim low or high. I think it is rediculous that you would have to aim high or low... when you put the dot on the bulls eye that's where the bullet should hit... up to a certain distance of course. With an adjustable sight you should be able to setup your gun so that the point of impact is covered by or at the top of the front sight... shooters preference. I have fired around 200 rounds so it far so I have had some practice. Those rounds have been at 10 yards. Is this expecting too much from a 9mm? Do I need to move closer? I shoot my Ruger MK III at this range all the time and can practically drive nails with it. I know this is a totally different animal than a .22 but I have shot .40 and 9mm handguns before with much better results. Anyone alse experience this?

August 17, 2011, 12:42 AM	#2
labhound Senior Member Join Date: August 24, 2010 Posts: 289	My 92fs Inox shoots POA/POI with original factory sights. Line all three dots up and put them in the center of your target. I usually shoot from 7 to 25 yards.

August 17, 2011, 01:05 AM	#3
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2011 Posts: 1,639	Did you shoot it from a rest or have someone else shoot it before switching out the sights, to confirm it was the sights and not something related to adjusting to a new pistol?

August 17, 2011, 01:51 AM	#4
Jamas Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2010 Location: The bad part,,, West Virginia Posts: 151	What kind of ammo are you shooting? Cheap/ bulk ammo sometimes is over/under loaded causing problems. My 92fs shoots poa... or whatever the bullet goes where the dot is pointing.

August 17, 2011, 08:31 AM	#5
TenTrigger Junior Member Join Date: August 16, 2011 Posts: 5	Thanks for the replies. I have tried shooting from the bench but not an actual rest. One friend shot it but had not shot a pistol in over 10 years... He did better than me actually so that should tell me something. I may just need some more practice and/or to change my style. My last time out I was using bulk Winchester 115gr FMJ. I will have to try some good 124 or higher to see the result. I figured an adjustable sight could not hurt even if it is mostly me or the ammo causing the accuracy problem but am concerned about the fact the it is adjusted all the way down and consistantly shoots high. Thanks again for the input.

August 17, 2011, 08:56 AM	#6
zincwarrior Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2011 Location: Texas, land of Tex-Mex Posts: 883	200 rounds is just starting and it sounds like you need more practice before you and your new friend are best buds. I'd suggest shooting a few hundred more rounds through it. Every 150-200 resight it, but try free hand holding when shooting it (how you have it on a rest is often significantly different than holding it). Shoot 3-5 at the exact same location and you should start to see a pattern grouping and can adjust your sight. Its not perfect but it may be more helpful then bench sighting. After some time if you are still shooting high and the sight cannot be depressed further then you may need a different adjustable sight. There are a plethora of after market sights including non adjustable and adjustable night sights, etc. I'll not mine shot about 2 inches high at 7 yards and put simple adjustable sights on for $20 - problem solved.

August 17, 2011, 04:13 PM	#8
zincwarrior Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2011 Location: Texas, land of Tex-Mex Posts: 883	Er #3 what?

August 17, 2011, 07:20 PM	#11
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2011 Posts: 1,639	Just put 100 rounds through an M9 while I was at the range today out of curiosity, dot/front sight(dot was worn off the range gun) over the target like #3 definitely worked on that specific pistol. Same way I shoot my sig FWIW. Which site picture have you been using Ten? Sidenote: dangit, now I have another pistol on the "I want it" list.

August 18, 2011, 10:48 AM	#12
TenTrigger Junior Member Join Date: August 16, 2011 Posts: 5	Shipwreck, thanks for the images. This helps. I have been ligning up the dots in a horizontal plane but not putting the dot directly on the target. I am used to the #2 setup on my MK III I guess. Will have to hit the range today and see what happens.

August 18, 2011, 02:26 PM	#15
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2011 Posts: 1,639	Ahh that explains why I didn't see 3 dots on the M9. I just thought all of them were worn off being that it was a range gun.

August 19, 2011, 01:14 PM	#16
TenTrigger Junior Member Join Date: August 16, 2011 Posts: 5	Just got back from the range. Good news... I am definately improving. I was able to keep a 6" grouping at 10 yards where I was all over the place before. I still suck but am improving. Bad news... the Beretta combat sight installed on the 92FS is not good. I was having to aim low or keep the front dot almost out of sight at the bottom of the rear sight... not good. I have come to the conclusion that the Beretta adjustable combat sight is no good for the FS92 as the front sight is too low and not replacable. The combat sight sits a full 1/8" higher (center of the white dots) than the factory installed two dot rear sight. Not being able to depress the combat sight any further negates the elevation adjustability of the sight. Windage is still adjustable but I usually set that and forget it. The sight itself is really good quality and would work well on a 92A1 or other model with a replaceble front sight as long as the dovetail is the same size. I am going to put it up for sale (possibly on ebay) and go back to the factory sight. If anyone is interrested let me know, i'm thinking around $40. In hind sight (which is always 20 20) I was too hasty to replace the factory sight... live and learn. This is the sight... http://www.midwestgunworks.com/mm5/m..._Code=A-3-0010 Thanks everyone for your input on this subject, definately helped a 9mil noob!

December 15, 2011, 11:25 AM	#18
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 8,610	Using Shipwreck's diagram, I use #1 with my 92FS. I shoot cast bullets in the 124 grn category (actually mine cast a tad heavier, more like 128 grns with wheel weights). What I did do, was to dab some florescent orange paint where the front dot is. I can see and line up the orange better then the white. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Oct '78 Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

December 16, 2011, 03:47 PM	#19
texagun Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2004 Posts: 159	One of these might help you diagnose your shooting:

February 4, 2012, 08:43 PM	#20
big_cigar Member Join Date: March 27, 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 44	92 FS changed rear sight problem I have a new Beretta 92 FS. The 3 dots were hard for me to see so I installed a new rear 2 dot combat sight. It is higher that the fixed front sight and I am shooting high. I brought it to my gunsmith to figure out what to do. It needs some type of a cap on the front sight to raise it up. Any thoughts from anyone? Thanks

October 19, 2012, 06:22 PM	#21
Spindrift Member Join Date: October 14, 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 27	Old thread, but good info. I have had my 92 fs Inox 9mm for almost a year now. The first steel/moving target comp I shot I used an almost stock S&W Sigma .40 . I came in 8th out of 25 shooters. After a LOT of research I chose the Inox 9 for a new competition gun. It took a LOT of practice for me to fall back into the top ten. Now that I have ruled everything else out, I'm looking for some better sights that I can see. Like on the cheaper Sigma. Those sights practically aim themselves. Big black thick sights with bright white dots. I hate having to look for the Beretta front sight I use sight picture #1 on all my pistols, including the 92 fs and if I bench shoot it's right on. But when the clock is running, the factory sights don't cut it. Does anyone have a link for these combat sights mentioned in this thread? Since this thread is old (I found it in a google search) is there a new hot sight system I should be looking at? I love everything about the Inox except the sights and want something that works no matter what. Thanks for any help. __________________ If you have nothing worth dying for, you have nothing worth living for.

October 26, 2012, 05:14 PM	#22
pete2 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 415	I have a SS model 92FS. It shot low when new, I called Beretta and they blew me off. I finally found a Novak taller rear for it, now shoots point of aim. I'd rather it be an inch or 2 high at 25YD but That would mean an even taller sight if I can find one. It is a great pistol but no more Berettas for me, I don't continue doing business with companys that blow me off like they did.