The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle: Bolt, Lever, and Pump Action

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 30, 2012, 01:36 PM   #1
Microscope
Member
 
Join Date: July 10, 2012
Posts: 30
Low Recoil, Quiet .223 Rifle?

Hi,

My wife wants to get into .223 (from .22) target shooting.
What is a really low recoil, quiet, rifle/ammo?
Any accessories that can help with that too?
Can be heavy long barrel or whatever because she and I shoot on the ground, off an ATV, or on a table rig.
I realise it's a .223 and won't be exactly like a quiet/low recoil .22

Thanks
Microscope is offline  
Old September 30, 2012, 01:56 PM   #2
TheBear
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 11, 2011
Posts: 295
Low recoil? Yes, you dont need any accesories for that because the recoil is very mild anyway. IF your wife is super sensitive you can get a limbsafer to make it even more comortable to shoot.
Low noise? Not really, of course its more quiet then a .308 but it still makes a good bang... A very long barrel reduces the noise a litle bit, not much but you can hear the difference. A silencer of course would make it quiet enough to shoot without hearing protection.
Look for a rifle with a long and heavy barrel (24" or longer) maybe threaded for a silencer. that should fit your needs.
If the .223 is still to much, get a .22 hornet.
TheBear is offline  
Old September 30, 2012, 02:00 PM   #3
Deja vu
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 14, 2010
Location: Border of Idaho & Montana
Posts: 2,091
A guy that I go ground rat shooting with has a 26 inch barrel on a TC encore with a suppressor. It has recoil similar to a 22LR and is very quiet.

but the can take for ever. I am starting on month 4 of waiting for my first suppressor.
__________________
Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull.

all 25 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple
Deja vu is offline  
Old September 30, 2012, 09:46 PM   #4
Mobuck
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 2, 2010
Posts: 2,105
The 223 is very low recoil to begin with so looking for a "low recoil" load is questionable. The noise is made irrelevant by the use of ear protection.
It's NOT a 22 so expecting it to be one is a mistake.
Mobuck is offline  
Old October 1, 2012, 02:22 AM   #5
10-96
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 19, 2005
Location: Tx Panhandle Territory
Posts: 3,123
On your other thread, the CZ 527 Varmint has been mentioned a time or two. The weight, squishy buttpad, and generous stock absorbs felt recoil tremenously even for the flinchiest of hearts.

Also, have you given much thought to the .204 Ruger ctg? I'm not sure how popular or available it is in Canada, but that thing is amazing.
__________________
Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day)

I'm going to use the words "clip" and "Long Colt" every chance I get. It grinds my gears to see new members attacked when we all know dang good and well what's being refered to.
10-96 is offline  
Old October 2, 2012, 11:38 PM   #6
chris in va
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 26, 2004
Location: Louisville KY
Posts: 12,492
Noise is a non-issue with a decent pair of muffs or plugs. I shoot my AR all the time and really don't notice the report.

Keep in mind too, a semiauto generally has less recoil than a bolt gun.
chris in va is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 04:40 AM   #7
Metal god
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 10, 2012
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 1,870
I'm not sure what you want to shoot bolt or semi . If you get a threaded barrel you can put a muzzle brake on it . That will help with felt recoil but not the noise . It may get louder . Depending on your location you can put a silencer on a 24" heavy barrel and heavy stock . the wieght of the gun can help reduce recoil . Remember when shooting from prone position or a bench you will feel the recoil more . You are asking for things that by there nature want to work against your wishes . I hope you find a happy medium
__________________
If you have a problem with everybody .

It's not everybody that has the problem
Metal god is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 04:44 AM   #8
Metal god
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 10, 2012
Location: San Diego CA
Posts: 1,870
Oops sence you posted this in the bolt /lever thead I guess i know what your looking for
__________________
If you have a problem with everybody .

It's not everybody that has the problem
Metal god is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 08:23 AM   #9
Art Eatman
Staff Lead
 
Join Date: November 13, 1998
Location: Terlingua, TX, USA
Posts: 22,332
When using a bolt gun for .223, I don't even particularly notice the light jolt from so little recoil. A butt pad is nice, but not necessary.

I have a Ruger 77 Mk II that's a light sporter. 22" barrel. Reliable half-MOA for five-shot groups. Works just fine on prairie dogs to 300 yards. I've never owned a heavy-barrel rifle. Never saw any need for one, hunting.
__________________
You're from BATFE? Come right in! I use all your fine products!
Art Eatman is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 09:06 AM   #10
bumnote
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 13, 2008
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 363
Double plug. Put ear plugs in and then the muffs on over the ears. For recoil increase the weight. On my AR I have the A2 stock with a 4 lb. lead weight in it. Between that and the stainless steel barrel it weighs in close to 14lbs. I use it for target shooting, prone and bench, so this set up would not be fun to hump through the woods or shoot standing. But double plugging will help with the noise if it bothers her.
__________________
"And remember, Abraham Lincoln didn't die in vain, he died in Washington D.C." - Firesign Theatre
bumnote is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 09:16 AM   #11
jimbob86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 4, 2007
Location: All the way to NEBRASKA
Posts: 6,702
Handload.

Reduced loads can be as quiet a .22 lr.
__________________
TheGolden Rule of Tool Use: "If you don't know what you are doing, DON'T."

http://nefirearm.com/
jimbob86 is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 10:04 AM   #12
FloridaVeteran
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 26, 2012
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 399
Before you spend extra money trying to find something that could be beyond her needs, have you considered taking her to the range with a standard .223, shooting light loads? If the target is close enough that she'll be able to see hits (the thrill of victory part), she might not notice the recoil. I think hearing could be the bigger issue because you want her to be able to hear you while wearing protection, so putting extra money into a well-rated pair of electronic muffs might be best cost-benefit and they would be useful for any gun she fires.
FloridaVeteran is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 10:14 AM   #13
newthings
Junior Member
 
Join Date: October 3, 2012
Posts: 3
How about a 300 AAC Blackout subsonic? All of the .223 style choices and less pop.
Roy
newthings is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 10:36 AM   #14
Scorch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2006
Location: Washington state
Posts: 11,406
223 is a good round for a relatively inexperienced shooter to move up to centerfire. The only things I would be concerned about would be report/muzzle blast and recoil. For recoil, a slightly heavier rifle will tame the recoil. Muzzle blast is an issue with many bolt action 223s, they are often light and handy with 20" barrels, which really makes them bark. When I shoot my 223 with a 20" barrel next to my brother who has a Rem 700 VLSS with a 24" barrel, you can really tell the difference, the longer barrel really is quieter. Still loud, but not as loud for the shooter.
__________________
Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs.
But what do I know?
Summit Arms Services
Taylor Machine
Scorch is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 10:53 AM   #15
Brian Pfleuger
Staff
 
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Central, Southern NY, USA
Posts: 18,343
I've always wondered, as anyone ever made a sort of "reverse" muzzle brake for low recoil rifles? I'd gladly trade a little more recoil for less muzzle blast in my .204, even a 22-250.
__________________
Still happily answering to the call-sign Peetza.
---
The problem, as you so eloquently put it, is choice.
-The Architect
-----
He is no fool who gives what he can not keep to gain what he can not lose.
-Jim Eliott, paraphrasing Philip Henry.
Brian Pfleuger is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 11:01 AM   #16
jimbob86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 4, 2007
Location: All the way to NEBRASKA
Posts: 6,702
Quote:
All of the .223 style choices and less pop.
I was going to suggest a rifle length AR (A-2), but the OP posted in the "Bolt/Lever/Pump" forum.....

Way back when dirt was the newest in new, at BRM in the third week of Basic Training, one of our DI's demonstrated the complete lack of recoil of the M16a1 rifle by putting a 30 round magazine downrange through one on FA, with the buttstock against his crotch, while he held the gun w/ both hands by the pistol grip.

With GI earplugs in and your cheek against an A-1/A-2 style stock, the "D-oing!" of the buffer spring is louder than the "pop" at the muzzle.
__________________
TheGolden Rule of Tool Use: "If you don't know what you are doing, DON'T."

http://nefirearm.com/
jimbob86 is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 11:08 AM   #17
jimbob86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 4, 2007
Location: All the way to NEBRASKA
Posts: 6,702
Quote:
I've always wondered, as anyone ever made a sort of "reverse" muzzle brake for low recoil rifles? I'd gladly trade a little more recoil for less muzzle blast in my .204, even a 22-250.
They make something that does BOTH pull the gun forward AND eliminates muzzle blast, but the Public Servants at BATFE want you to pay 200 Dollars and wait on paperwork before you can possess one .... and some states (including NY, unfortunately for you, Peetza) prohibit them.
__________________
TheGolden Rule of Tool Use: "If you don't know what you are doing, DON'T."

http://nefirearm.com/
jimbob86 is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 12:12 PM   #18
Brian Pfleuger
Staff
 
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Central, Southern NY, USA
Posts: 18,343
Yeah, there is that...
__________________
Still happily answering to the call-sign Peetza.
---
The problem, as you so eloquently put it, is choice.
-The Architect
-----
He is no fool who gives what he can not keep to gain what he can not lose.
-Jim Eliott, paraphrasing Philip Henry.
Brian Pfleuger is offline  
Old October 3, 2012, 09:16 PM   #19
langenc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 19, 2007
Location: Montmorency Co, MI
Posts: 1,187
Good muffs and make sure she gets the butt plate on her shoulder and not the arm. If the stock is too long will probably have trouble shouldering and will KICK if on the arm.

If she has shorter arms check some of the youth models esp if she will be shooting with fairly heavy jacket-makes it tougher to shoulder correctly.
langenc is offline  
Old October 4, 2012, 05:57 AM   #20
Magnum Wheel Man
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 26, 2006
Location: Southern Minnesota
Posts: 8,085
Quote:
I've always wondered, as anyone ever made a sort of "reverse" muzzle brake for low recoil rifles? I'd gladly trade a little more recoil for less muzzle blast in my .204, even a 22-250.
my retired machinist buddy has made several "compensators" for me, that have the ports drilled at just enough of an angle that it directs the sound away from the shooter ( doesn't make the gun quieter than a non ported gun, just not as loud as a normal ported gun ) yet the felt recoil is greatly reduced... I have them on both handguns & rifles...
__________________
In life you either make dust or eat dust...
Magnum Wheel Man is offline  
Old October 4, 2012, 02:09 PM   #21
RAnb
Junior member
 
Join Date: July 20, 2008
Location: WA, USA
Posts: 447
Quote:
My wife wants to get into .223 (from .22) target shooting.
What is a really low recoil, quiet, rifle/ammo?
Any accessories that can help with that too?
Can be heavy long barrel or whatever because she and I shoot on the ground, off an ATV, or on a table rig.
I realise it's a .223 and won't be exactly like a quiet/low recoil .22
The only way to make a really low recoil, quiet 223 rifle is to use a long barrel and a silencer. A muzzle brake will make it louder. Using standard ammo creates a sonic boom and the blast from 26 gains of powder is too much to be reduced enough with a silencer to eliminate the need for ear muffs in an enclosed area such as a rifle line. Out in the open a suppressed supersonic223 may be hearing safe.

While subsonic 223 ammo (w/+70 grain bullets) is much more powerful than typical 40 grain subsonic 22lr, it has nearly the same trajectory limitations and can be difficult to hit a target past 200 yards. It will make much less noise than the standard 223 load though.

I have a TC contender in 22 K-hornet that works well with my 223 can.

Ranb
RAnb is offline  
Old October 6, 2012, 12:51 PM   #22
Big Shrek
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 6, 2009
Location: NorthWest Florida
Posts: 471
Silencer is rather inaccurate as a term for Suppressors...at best they drop the decibel level by half...
But since Hollywood has screwed up most people's firearm vernacular, I suppose we are stuck with it...

This is one thing the UK has over the US...in the UK they don't regulate silencers...they WANT people to use them...
over here in the USA, we have far more freedom of weapon choice...but they stick it to you for $200 Tax Stamp & a 6-month wait for a Suppressor.

Frankly, you would think that antigun types would want us to have free access to suppresors,
as then they wouldn't be as able to hear folks practicing at the range

When dealing with Supersonic bullets (.223/etc), you are basically putting a muffler on a V8...
it'll be a little quieter and can modify the sound, but you'll know when it goes off
.22lr & .45ACP are recognized as the Subsonic rounds that get the best results out of surpressors...quiet & effective!
__________________
Marlin Specialist
Calico Specialist
A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.

Last edited by Big Shrek; October 6, 2012 at 12:56 PM.
Big Shrek is offline  
Old October 6, 2012, 01:13 PM   #23
Brian Pfleuger
Staff
 
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Central, Southern NY, USA
Posts: 18,343
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Shrek View Post
Silencer is rather inaccurate as a term for Suppressors...at best they drop the decibel level by half...
But since Hollywood has screwed up most people's firearm vernacular, I suppose we are stuck with it...
Actually, the name silencer is more correct.

For one, the first such device patented in the USA was the Maxim Silencer, over 100 years ago.

Second, the term that's used on ATF forms, and has been for decades, is silencer.

"Suppressor" has a very "mall ninja, wanna make things sound technical" kind of ring to it, IMO. It's not necessarily, but that's what it reminds me of.
Brian Pfleuger is offline  
Old October 6, 2012, 03:47 PM   #24
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: 1B ID
Posts: 6,648
Quote:
Second, the term that's used on ATF forms, and has been for decades, is silencer.

"Suppressor" has a very "mall ninja, wanna make things sound technical" kind of ring to it, IMO. It's not necessarily, but that's what it reminds me of.
Misuse of the terms, by our government, doesn't make it right.
__________________
"Such is the strange way that man works -- first he virtually destroys a species and then does everything in his power to restore it."
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old October 6, 2012, 05:19 PM   #25
AK103K
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 1, 2001
Location: PA -- In the shadow of the Shade
Posts: 7,777
Quote:
When dealing with Supersonic bullets (.223/etc), you are basically putting a muffler on a V8...
it'll be a little quieter and can modify the sound, but you'll know when it goes off
You do get the sound of the bullet breaking the sound barrier as it goes down range, but you do loose 95% + of the muzzle blast. Its not much louder than an air rifle or .22 in the open, and identifying where the shot came from is difficult, as there is no muzzle blast.

I have a AAC M4-2000 on my one AR, and I can shoot it from inside my carport with standard ammo, and it doesnt even set my ears to ringing. If I shoot a .22 or my .17 from the same spot, I cant hear right for days.

I know this is posted the bolt section, but this has virtually no recoil, and is easy on the ears.

__________________
“The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he is on.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

Zeitgeist - The Movie
AK103K is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.12072 seconds with 9 queries