HK P9S 45 Recoil buffer

cimmerian · September 28, 2012, 04:24 PM

HI there good friends.
I have just come into a 45 hkP9s which has seen some use and which I am legally licensed to posess. I know about the need to replace the recoil buffer but such a part is unobtainable here in South Africa.

Seems I am also unable to import such from the US, as suppliers indicate they can only supply within the US.
What exact material is this buffer made of and can anyone give me its precise description and dimensions, as I will then try to make one myself or have one made up for me.

I would love to shoot this pistol as I have heard that they are accurate and sweet shooters.
I have 4 extra mags and a full combat rig and the safety has been extended for combat shooting.
I personally plan to use the gun for full time carry.

Hope you guys can help
Kindest regards

drail · September 28, 2012, 04:38 PM

In the early years of pistolsmithing we used to make buffers from scraps of thick leather with an Exacto knife. Got anything like that down there?

PSP · September 28, 2012, 10:57 PM

Quote:

What exact material is this buffer made of

I believe it's made of a semi-soft polymer. Can you order and import from HK in Germany?

cimmerian · October 3, 2012, 05:36 PM

Thanks for your prompt response.Yes we do have what we call "stanley" knives and leather so that could be do able.I can also access a variety of castable urethane plastics in a various weights and degrees of elasticitiy,but for that I need to know the exact type of material which the factory uses,in order to choose the right duplicate.I am also thinking of a coiled spring/s instead.Will have to see.

We also have a Heckler and Koch agency down in Cape Town but they were not very helpful and stated that they were presently in a dispute with the factory in Germany.They also did 'nt know exactly what I was talking about and so wanted me to send them a parts number first,which I obviously did not have.
I think I am going to try the HK people in Germany direct via an E mail and see if I can get any joy from them, seeing that they and their local agents are not on good terms.
The HK agents tell me that they are also not very forthcoming due to the fact that they have numerous big military committments so they are not inclined to attend to individual problems from private shooters.
A lot of hassle for a simple piece of plastic...HEH HEH

thanks again and best regards ,
C
C

cimmerian · October 3, 2012, 05:43 PM

Thanks for your prompt response.Yes we do have what we call "stanley" knives and leather so that could be do able.I can also access a variety of castable urethane plastics in a various weights and degrees of elasticitiy,but for that I need to know the exact type of material which the factory uses,in order to choose the right duplicate.I am also thinking of a coiled spring/s instead.Will have to see.

We also have a Heckler and Koch agency down in Cape Town but they were not very helpful and stated that they were presently in a dispute with the factory in Germany.They also did 'nt know exactly what I was talking about and so wanted me to send them a parts number first,which I obviously did not have.
I think I am going to try the HK people in Germany direct via an E mail and see if I can get any joy from them, seeing that they and their local agents are not on good terms.
The HK agents tell me that they are also not very forthcoming due to the fact that they have numerous big military committments so they are not inclined to attend to individual problems from private shooters.
A lot of hassle for a simple piece of plastic...HEH HEH

thanks again and best regards ,
C
C

Walt Sherrill · October 3, 2012, 06:45 PM

Are you sure the buffer is a factory part? Darned few guns have them in their stock, straight-from-the factory form.

The only H&K Manual I could find for a P9S was in 9mm, so the parts lists and diagrams weren't any help.

I suspect the buffer was an addition by a prior owner. If so, your weapon will probably work just fine without and arguably be more reliable, too.

Just getting an owner's manual for that specific gun/caliber may answer the question as to whether it's even needed...

PSP · October 3, 2012, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Are you sure the buffer is a factory part?

Yes, it's an original part. Several of HK's early pistols used a recoil buffer. Here's a link to the part that is available here in the U.S.

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-P9...ffer-p1449.htm

Go here for a printable manual of the P9s. It shows the buffer and instructs how to disassemble the associated parts.
http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm

mete · October 3, 2012, 09:29 PM

Go to www.hkpro,com .I'm sure someone will have the answer .Some guns have fibrous buffers ,some are synthetic rubber . If it's rubber maybe polyurethane ?

noorked · October 5, 2012, 10:36 AM

here is another place that has them. they appear to handle foreign orders.
Scehematic appears to list the buffer being the same for the 9mm and the .45.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/...280&catid=8916

cimmerian · October 10, 2012, 03:01 PM

Thanks again for all the inputs.I took Drails advice and did the leather thing.Works like a charm.Will still get a new part when I can but at least I am no longer stranded.
A word on the whys and wherefores.

Delayed blowback action pistols like the P9s tend to cycle somewhat forcefully due to high breech pressures when opening.This rams the slide up hard against the return spring to the extent that normal slide stops will be battered and frames cracked prematurely.The recoil buffer slows down the slide over the last 2-3 mms of its travel and absorbs the energy as it is compressed.
It is for this reason that the P9s is known as a soft recoiling accurate shooter, also because the barrel does not move during cycling but remains staionary.The reduced recoil effect is actually visible when a P9s and a 1911 are shot next to each other on the range.
In the end a P9s will not function for any length of time without its recoil buffer and not incur serious damage.

Walt Sherrill · October 10, 2012, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Delayed blowback action pistols like the P9s tend to cycle somewhat forcefully due to high breech pressures when opening.This rams the slide up hard against the return spring to the extent that normal slide stops will be battered and frames cracked prematurely.

Pressures from the 9mm round are generally much higher than the .45 round, yet the 9mm models don'tuse recoil buffers.

I wonder if the buffer is there for other reasons?

cimmerian · October 13, 2012, 12:34 PM

Beg to differ WALT,

The HKP9S 9mm specifically uses the same type recoil buffer as the 45. It is listed in the official HKP9S factory weapons manual.The kick lies in the delayed blowback opening mechanism which is non adjustable to pressure variances between different ammunition types.In a 1911 for example, the barrel and breech will recoil as a unit and remain firmly closed for a short distance while the pressure drops, until the barrel is disengaged and swings downward to allow the breech to ride backwards and cycle.

In the Heckler the action is directly backwards and unlocking is immediate and only slowed down by rollers riding in camtrails,in a bolt carrier, which engages a seperate bolt and releases it as it moves backwards.THis results in a more violent opening and quicker slide movement.

Hence the need for recoil buffers.

Walt Sherrill · October 13, 2012, 12:53 PM

I missed seeing the recoil buffer when I examined the 9mm parts diagram.

cimmerian · October 13, 2012, 01:46 PM

Believe me its there old buddy.
Go to PSP 's input above on the "stevespages" site.It is listed as no 12 on the diagram together with its housing no 13.There is also an extensive insruction piece on how to remove and refit it...No P9S will function without it.

Walt Sherrill · October 13, 2012, 02:24 PM

Didn't mean to imply that I didn't believe you -- only that I had missed that when looking at the parts list and diagram.

bob.a · October 13, 2012, 04:41 PM

My P9S has had some shooting done through it, but not excessive. When I learned about the recoil buffer, I got one and went to the local gunsmith to get it swapped out. He did so, but told me that my old one was just fine. I'd have thought the stuff deteriorated with age, but I guess 20 years or so is still fairly youthful for these things.

Surprised you can't get them exported; not like you're going to build a firearm around it.

cimmerian · October 14, 2012, 04:51 AM

No offense,
I never took it that way.just wanted to straighten the records.

September 28, 2012, 04:24 PM	#1
cimmerian Junior Member Join Date: September 28, 2012 Location: south africa Posts: 7	HK P9S 45 Recoil buffer HI there good friends. I have just come into a 45 hkP9s which has seen some use and which I am legally licensed to posess. I know about the need to replace the recoil buffer but such a part is unobtainable here in South Africa. Seems I am also unable to import such from the US, as suppliers indicate they can only supply within the US. What exact material is this buffer made of and can anyone give me its precise description and dimensions, as I will then try to make one myself or have one made up for me. I would love to shoot this pistol as I have heard that they are accurate and sweet shooters. I have 4 extra mags and a full combat rig and the safety has been extended for combat shooting. I personally plan to use the gun for full time carry. Hope you guys can help Kindest regards

October 3, 2012, 05:36 PM	#4
cimmerian Junior Member Join Date: September 28, 2012 Location: south africa Posts: 7	hk p9s recoil buffer Thanks for your prompt response.Yes we do have what we call "stanley" knives and leather so that could be do able.I can also access a variety of castable urethane plastics in a various weights and degrees of elasticitiy,but for that I need to know the exact type of material which the factory uses,in order to choose the right duplicate.I am also thinking of a coiled spring/s instead.Will have to see. We also have a Heckler and Koch agency down in Cape Town but they were not very helpful and stated that they were presently in a dispute with the factory in Germany.They also did 'nt know exactly what I was talking about and so wanted me to send them a parts number first,which I obviously did not have. I think I am going to try the HK people in Germany direct via an E mail and see if I can get any joy from them, seeing that they and their local agents are not on good terms. The HK agents tell me that they are also not very forthcoming due to the fact that they have numerous big military committments so they are not inclined to attend to individual problems from private shooters. A lot of hassle for a simple piece of plastic...HEH HEH thanks again and best regards , C C

October 3, 2012, 05:43 PM	#5
cimmerian Junior Member Join Date: September 28, 2012 Location: south africa Posts: 7	hk p9s recoil buffer Thanks for your prompt response.Yes we do have what we call "stanley" knives and leather so that could be do able.I can also access a variety of castable urethane plastics in a various weights and degrees of elasticitiy,but for that I need to know the exact type of material which the factory uses,in order to choose the right duplicate.I am also thinking of a coiled spring/s instead.Will have to see. We also have a Heckler and Koch agency down in Cape Town but they were not very helpful and stated that they were presently in a dispute with the factory in Germany.They also did 'nt know exactly what I was talking about and so wanted me to send them a parts number first,which I obviously did not have. I think I am going to try the HK people in Germany direct via an E mail and see if I can get any joy from them, seeing that they and their local agents are not on good terms. The HK agents tell me that they are also not very forthcoming due to the fact that they have numerous big military committments so they are not inclined to attend to individual problems from private shooters. A lot of hassle for a simple piece of plastic...HEH HEH thanks again and best regards , C C

October 3, 2012, 09:29 PM	#8
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 4,937	Go to www.hkpro,com .I'm sure someone will have the answer .Some guns have fibrous buffers ,some are synthetic rubber . If it's rubber maybe polyurethane ? __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

October 5, 2012, 10:36 AM	#9
noorked Member Join Date: December 1, 2011 Posts: 42	here is another place that has them. they appear to handle foreign orders. Scehematic appears to list the buffer being the same for the 9mm and the .45. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/...280&catid=8916 __________________ HK-P7, p2000, .357sig/.40, HK4, USP9, USP45 uspc45 CZ-82 CZ -SP-01 tactical CZ custom Pro-Tek II

September 28, 2012, 04:38 PM	#2
drail Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2008 Posts: 3,150	In the early years of pistolsmithing we used to make buffers from scraps of thick leather with an Exacto knife. Got anything like that down there?

October 3, 2012, 06:45 PM	#6
Walt Sherrill Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 1999 Location: Winston-Salem, NC USA Posts: 3,704	Are you sure the buffer is a factory part? Darned few guns have them in their stock, straight-from-the factory form. The only H&K Manual I could find for a P9S was in 9mm, so the parts lists and diagrams weren't any help. I suspect the buffer was an addition by a prior owner. If so, your weapon will probably work just fine without and arguably be more reliable, too. Just getting an owner's manual for that specific gun/caliber may answer the question as to whether it's even needed...

October 10, 2012, 03:01 PM	#10
cimmerian Junior Member Join Date: September 28, 2012 Location: south africa Posts: 7	hkp9s recoil buffer Thanks again for all the inputs.I took Drails advice and did the leather thing.Works like a charm.Will still get a new part when I can but at least I am no longer stranded. A word on the whys and wherefores. Delayed blowback action pistols like the P9s tend to cycle somewhat forcefully due to high breech pressures when opening.This rams the slide up hard against the return spring to the extent that normal slide stops will be battered and frames cracked prematurely.The recoil buffer slows down the slide over the last 2-3 mms of its travel and absorbs the energy as it is compressed. It is for this reason that the P9s is known as a soft recoiling accurate shooter, also because the barrel does not move during cycling but remains staionary.The reduced recoil effect is actually visible when a P9s and a 1911 are shot next to each other on the range. In the end a P9s will not function for any length of time without its recoil buffer and not incur serious damage.

October 13, 2012, 12:34 PM	#12
cimmerian Junior Member Join Date: September 28, 2012 Location: south africa Posts: 7	qoute:Wonder if the recoil buffer could be there for other reasons Beg to differ WALT, The HKP9S 9mm specifically uses the same type recoil buffer as the 45. It is listed in the official HKP9S factory weapons manual.The kick lies in the delayed blowback opening mechanism which is non adjustable to pressure variances between different ammunition types.In a 1911 for example, the barrel and breech will recoil as a unit and remain firmly closed for a short distance while the pressure drops, until the barrel is disengaged and swings downward to allow the breech to ride backwards and cycle. In the Heckler the action is directly backwards and unlocking is immediate and only slowed down by rollers riding in camtrails,in a bolt carrier, which engages a seperate bolt and releases it as it moves backwards.THis results in a more violent opening and quicker slide movement. Hence the need for recoil buffers.

October 13, 2012, 12:53 PM	#13
Walt Sherrill Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 1999 Location: Winston-Salem, NC USA Posts: 3,704	I missed seeing the recoil buffer when I examined the 9mm parts diagram.

October 13, 2012, 01:46 PM	#14
cimmerian Junior Member Join Date: September 28, 2012 Location: south africa Posts: 7	Imissed seeing the buffer when examining the parts diagram Believe me its there old buddy. Go to PSP 's input above on the "stevespages" site.It is listed as no 12 on the diagram together with its housing no 13.There is also an extensive insruction piece on how to remove and refit it...No P9S will function without it.

October 13, 2012, 02:24 PM	#15
Walt Sherrill Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 1999 Location: Winston-Salem, NC USA Posts: 3,704	Didn't mean to imply that I didn't believe you -- only that I had missed that when looking at the parts list and diagram.

October 13, 2012, 04:41 PM	#16
bob.a Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 289	My P9S has had some shooting done through it, but not excessive. When I learned about the recoil buffer, I got one and went to the local gunsmith to get it swapped out. He did so, but told me that my old one was just fine. I'd have thought the stuff deteriorated with age, but I guess 20 years or so is still fairly youthful for these things. Surprised you can't get them exported; not like you're going to build a firearm around it.

October 14, 2012, 04:51 AM	#17
cimmerian Junior Member Join Date: September 28, 2012 Location: south africa Posts: 7	Didnt meant to imply that I didnt believe you No offense, I never took it that way.just wanted to straighten the records.