FFL vs. Suppressor Purchase

KingDF · September 21, 2012, 07:33 PM

Today I was on Netflix and I was watching Sons of Guns and noticed that they make suppressors. I have access to the equipment to do so, but found out I need an FFL before I even attempt. I also know that I have to pay the $200 transfer tax on a suppressor if I buy it. The FFL application fee is also $200. In the long run, I'd save more money being able to make them.

Here are my questions:

1) Is it easier to get an FFL to manufacture a silencer or just purchase a pre-made silencer and get approval from ATF? (I don't want to waste $200)

2) If I have an FFL do I need to pay the $200 transfer fee for every silencer I make or just the one time app fee and renewal?

jonnyc · September 21, 2012, 09:01 PM

Hmmmm......let me add another question. Do you need an FFL to make one for yourself, or do you only need one to manufacture them for sale or transfer?

teeroux · September 21, 2012, 09:21 PM

If im not mistaken you can fill out a form to manufacture a suppressor for personal collection that doesn't require an FFL. One of the NFA experts will chime in with the correct form I'm sure.

jgcoastie · September 21, 2012, 09:27 PM

Try posting in the NFA forum... You might have better results there.

**Brian Pfleuger** · September 21, 2012, 09:29 PM

We'll just move it there....

**James K** · September 21, 2012, 09:44 PM

To manufacture and sell suppressors, you need an 07 (manufacturer's) FFL PLUS a Class 2 Special Occupational Tax which runs $500 or $1000 per year, depending on how many you make.

To make one for your own use and not for resale (and don't try to play games on that) you submit an application with fingerprints and $200. Once approved by BATFE, you can make one (1) suppressor for your own use. Each additional one will be another application and another $200.

Jim

jimbob86 · September 21, 2012, 10:05 PM

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To make one for your own use and not for resale (and don't try to play games on that) you submit an application with fingerprints and $200. Once approved by BATFE, you can make one (1) suppressor for your own use. Each additional one will be another application and another $200.

This.

This is how it's done:

http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/in...ic,5801.0.html

David Hineline · September 21, 2012, 11:04 PM

Are your goals to be a machinist who like to say they made something? Or are you a shooter who wants a top notch silencer?

If just want to be a shooter then buy a silencer.

To build a silencer worth a crap, you will need a lathe, and lots of tooling.

Pistolgripshotty · September 22, 2012, 09:08 AM

I would do a littler more research. Its so many ins and outs it best to be sure b4 ya make ya move. BTW good luck!

KingDF · September 22, 2012, 11:00 AM

Thanks for the replies everyone. My goal is to make them for myself. I don't want any parts of selling firearms or the accessories that go with them.

I have access to a lathe and tools, but I'm also open to just buying a suppressor because I think I may only need 3 total in the foreseeable future.

David Hineline · September 22, 2012, 12:33 PM

Just understand that a form 1 registration is to make 1 silencer, not to prototype and re-design and improve or even repair said silencer. You would need a FFL gunsmith license to replace any parts in the silencer you built. How ever you built it that is how you have it, except you can send it to a gunsmith for repair or re-design of the core as time goes on.

jimbob86 · September 22, 2012, 08:16 PM

King, if you wish to build one, build one!

Buy one too!

KingDF · September 22, 2012, 08:30 PM

I'm thinking I might just buy one and save the hassle.

David Hineline · September 23, 2012, 03:06 AM

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PO Box 3224
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Phone: 775 230-4337 (cell)
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Henderson, NV 89014
Phone: 702-564-0948
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sigcurious · September 23, 2012, 03:23 PM

You can also get your NFA items from NFA(New Frontier Armory)

. Sorry I couldn't help myself on that one. They're on the north end of town if you're not already familiar with them.

KingDF · September 26, 2012, 02:10 PM

@Sigcurious, I actually found out about them a few days before you posted. They are right down the street from me and their ARs are nice. Thinking about getting one at tax time.

September 21, 2012, 07:33 PM	#1
KingDF Member Join Date: September 21, 2012 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 29	FFL vs. Suppressor Purchase Today I was on Netflix and I was watching Sons of Guns and noticed that they make suppressors. I have access to the equipment to do so, but found out I need an FFL before I even attempt. I also know that I have to pay the $200 transfer tax on a suppressor if I buy it. The FFL application fee is also $200. In the long run, I'd save more money being able to make them. Here are my questions: 1) Is it easier to get an FFL to manufacture a silencer or just purchase a pre-made silencer and get approval from ATF? (I don't want to waste $200) 2) If I have an FFL do I need to pay the $200 transfer fee for every silencer I make or just the one time app fee and renewal? __________________ Handgun: Kel Tec PF9 Shotgun: Mossberg 500A Rifle: Mossberg Tactical .22

September 21, 2012, 09:27 PM	#4
jgcoastie Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Location: Now: Michigan, Previously: Alaska, California, North Carolina, Mississippi Posts: 2,093	Try posting in the NFA forum... You might have better results there. __________________ "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." -Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.

September 21, 2012, 09:44 PM	#6
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,439	To manufacture and sell suppressors, you need an 07 (manufacturer's) FFL PLUS a Class 2 Special Occupational Tax which runs $500 or $1000 per year, depending on how many you make. To make one for your own use and not for resale (and don't try to play games on that) you submit an application with fingerprints and $200. Once approved by BATFE, you can make one (1) suppressor for your own use. Each additional one will be another application and another $200. Jim __________________ Jim K

September 21, 2012, 11:04 PM	#8
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 700	Goals Are your goals to be a machinist who like to say they made something? Or are you a shooter who wants a top notch silencer? If just want to be a shooter then buy a silencer. To build a silencer worth a crap, you will need a lathe, and lots of tooling.

September 22, 2012, 09:08 AM	#9
Pistolgripshotty Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2012 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 184	I would do a littler more research. Its so many ins and outs it best to be sure b4 ya make ya move. BTW good luck! __________________ *12 Gauge Fury!*

September 21, 2012, 09:01 PM	#2
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 681	Hmmmm......let me add another question. Do you need an FFL to make one for yourself, or do you only need one to manufacture them for sale or transfer?

September 21, 2012, 09:21 PM	#3
teeroux Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,399	If im not mistaken you can fill out a form to manufacture a suppressor for personal collection that doesn't require an FFL. One of the NFA experts will chime in with the correct form I'm sure.

September 21, 2012, 09:29 PM	#5
Brian Pfleuger Staff Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Central, Southern NY, USA Posts: 14,522	We'll just move it there.... __________________ Still happily answering to the call-sign Peetza. --- You do not HAVE a soul. You ARE a soul. You HAVE a body. -C.S. Lewis He is no fool who gives what he can not keep to gain what he can not lose. -Jim Eliott, paraphrasing Philip Henry.

September 22, 2012, 11:00 AM	#10
KingDF Member Join Date: September 21, 2012 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 29	Thanks for the replies everyone. My goal is to make them for myself. I don't want any parts of selling firearms or the accessories that go with them. I have access to a lathe and tools, but I'm also open to just buying a suppressor because I think I may only need 3 total in the foreseeable future. __________________ Handgun: Kel Tec PF9 Shotgun: Mossberg 500A Rifle: Mossberg Tactical .22

September 22, 2012, 12:33 PM	#11
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 700	Just understand that a form 1 registration is to make 1 silencer, not to prototype and re-design and improve or even repair said silencer. You would need a FFL gunsmith license to replace any parts in the silencer you built. How ever you built it that is how you have it, except you can send it to a gunsmith for repair or re-design of the core as time goes on.

September 22, 2012, 08:16 PM	#12
jimbob86 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2007 Location: All the way to NEBRASKA Posts: 5,263	King, if you wish to build one, build one! Buy one too! __________________ TheGolden Rule of Tool Use: "If you don't know what you are doing, DON'T." http://nefirearm.com/

September 22, 2012, 08:30 PM	#13
KingDF Member Join Date: September 21, 2012 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 29	I'm thinking I might just buy one and save the hassle. __________________ Handgun: Kel Tec PF9 Shotgun: Mossberg 500A Rifle: Mossberg Tactical .22

September 23, 2012, 03:06 AM	#14
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 700	Nevada Brian J. Borg Specialties: Class 3 PO Box 3224 Carson City, NV 89702-3224 Phone: 775 230-4337 (cell) E-mail: bbgunroomREMOVETHISSPAMGARD@hotmail.com Homepage: N/A -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Long Mountain Outfitters LLC Attn: Dan Shea General Manager Specialties: Type 10/ C2 SOT MG & DD Mfg/ Dlr, Type 11/ C1 SOT MG & DD Importer 631 N. Stephanie St #560 Henderson, NV 89014 Phone: 702-564-0948 FAX: 702-558-1728 E-mail: infoREMOVETHISSPAMGARD@longmountain.com http://www.longmountain.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prokopios (Ike) Ziros Specialties: Class 3 145 N. Gibson Rd. #E Henderson, NV 89014 Phone: (702) 256-9771 Office and Fax E-mail: zeusnarisREMOVETHISSPAMGARD@aol.com Homepage: N/A

September 23, 2012, 03:23 PM	#15
sigcurious Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2011 Posts: 1,640	You can also get your NFA items from NFA(New Frontier Armory) . Sorry I couldn't help myself on that one. They're on the north end of town if you're not already familiar with them.

September 26, 2012, 02:10 PM	#16
KingDF Member Join Date: September 21, 2012 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 29	@Sigcurious, I actually found out about them a few days before you posted. They are right down the street from me and their ARs are nice. Thinking about getting one at tax time. __________________ Handgun: Kel Tec PF9 Shotgun: Mossberg 500A Rifle: Mossberg Tactical .22