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Old September 9, 2012, 06:35 PM   #1
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Buying a PTR91 converted to a G3K

Can someone give me thoughts on this auction?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=304663567

Or this one, and buy the collapsible stock for it:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=304622629

Is this overpriced? Am I better off just getting a plain PTR91/HK91? How good are the JLD made PTRs?

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Old September 9, 2012, 10:10 PM   #2
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For about 5 years I carried a G3/HK91 converted to a sniper rifle. I did not like the collapsible stocks and did not like the slimline/tropical fore stock. I had a HK 21 rear sight that I liked. The factory claw type cope mount is great. I had a bi-pod and never used it except to set the gun down on the ground. If these have the fluted chamber you can still get a couple of reloads out of the brass. The trigger group can be polished and made better but will still have a little take up. I haven't answered most of your questions but this is the stuff I do know. They both at least look good.
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Old September 10, 2012, 03:43 AM   #3
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Where do you rest your cheek on the collapsible stock, actually? How do you use a scope/red dot well?
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Old September 10, 2012, 09:00 AM   #4
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That's just one of the problems with a collapsible stock. Remember that collapsible stocks were first developed for paratroopers and truck drivers and such. Being able to fold up the gun was more important that being able to easily use the gun I guess. I carried the 91 or an AR or a shotgun in a patrol car for years and never had problems getting it in or out. This was well before the red dot sights came out. I used a 1X5 Leupold Scope. The claw type scope mount was high but by using more of my chin and less cheek I could shoot it fine. With this mount it's easy on and easy off. I only used a scope when covering something like a man barricaded in a building or when providing cover on a buy bust with the Narcotics people.
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Old September 10, 2012, 09:14 AM   #5
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I bought a German military surplus collapsible stock for my PTR91 and took it off. It is too short for me. Now if I was wearing body armor it would be the right length, but I don’t wear body armor to the range.

Now if you want a short compact 308, go for it.
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Old September 10, 2012, 10:21 AM   #6
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I bought one of the newer PTR's about 4 years ago. I liked it a lot although I reload and it throws brass about 30 ft. Lots of aftermarket parts that are cheap. You've got to love magazines for $3-4. It is reasonably accurate, about 2" at 100, but not close to an AR-10 style rifle. Got bored with it and sold it. Like so many others, I sort of wish I still had it. Mine had a fixed stock and was a bit short for my preference. I don't think I would like a folder. Fairly stout recoil. Trigger was not that good but there is a gunsmith somewhere that will improve it for a reasonable amount. I never did that. I paid about $1100 from Bud's and sold it for $1000 with about 10 extra mags and a claw mount. I shot it a bunch at paper.
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Old September 10, 2012, 09:22 PM   #7
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They do, or did, make a medium soft extended rubber butt extension that added about 1 1/2 inches to the butt stock, I'm 6'8" and weighted about 300 then. With my reloads I was getting 3 shots into 5/8 of an inch. A trigger job really helped that gun. And, eat your heart out, I bought mine brand new for $411.
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Old September 10, 2012, 10:11 PM   #8
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$2250....thats pretty steep
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Old September 10, 2012, 10:58 PM   #9
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The seller says one of the two is a SAR-8, but has yet to say which is it, and clearly doesn't show the stampings. I think I'll avoid and just buy an HK91.

Given I already have an M1A in a Sage stock, is a HK91 really worth it? I've fired a PTR91 and liked it, not sure if I liked it $2k though.

Otherwise, I'm just going to buy a GI bringback Enfield no 4
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Old September 10, 2012, 11:14 PM   #10
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I used to sell the M1A but owned a 91. Just like a stock M1A a little tuning goes a long way. The more crap you hang on it the heavier it is.
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Old September 11, 2012, 02:24 AM   #11
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If you are going to spend that kind of money, you could get an original HK 91. The paddle mag release is a nice modification, but that is about all that I see worth much to me.

I bought a PTR 91 GI and have been very happy with that. The only thing I have done with it is replaced the slim handguard with a wide one and a bipod.

It was a good deal at $900.
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Old September 11, 2012, 02:39 AM   #12
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Yeah, I'm not going to get that. I am however looking at HK91s now.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305453529

This catches my eye, though it strikes me as being slightly overpriced. I'd love to have the optic though (that assembly seems to go for $400 or so online.) Only thing I'd change would be to add this:
http://www.robertrtg.com/pofg3widegreen.html

I wonder what his reserve is set at
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Old September 11, 2012, 02:56 AM   #13
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Seems pretty nice. That is the same foregrip i purchased. High quality and works well. Really improved the feel of the rifle.

Depending on the reserve, it might not be a bad deal. Those scope mounts are pretty pricey, as well as the optic.
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Old September 11, 2012, 03:22 PM   #14
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The Slim, or Tropic as they used to call it, fore grip gets to hot to hold. If, during a string of shots, you forget and let your hand slip back to pass the rear edge of the fore grip, you'll get burned.
Because the 91 does not lock open when the mag is emptied, I'd load a round of tracer to feed next to last. When I saw the tracer I'd switch mags.
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Old September 11, 2012, 03:36 PM   #15
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Wait, it doesn't lock on the last round? Hmmm.

Honestly, at $2000+ I'm not seeing this thing as worth it...
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Old September 11, 2012, 04:17 PM   #16
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I don't know what they cost but yes, they are great guns.
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Old September 11, 2012, 06:34 PM   #17
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=305074547

Can someone comment on that? It's listed as an SR9, and I need to ask for photos of the magazine well area to see the markings...but at 1500 (let's say it goes up to 2200 bidding war) it looks like a steal, right? Is something wrong here? Why is it so cheap? The seller claims it at most had a few test shots fired, and is otherwise in pristine out of the box condition.

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Old September 11, 2012, 09:13 PM   #18
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There really isn't anything wrong with it. Its kind of like a standard 91 without the flash hider, and what should be a better trigger. It does not have the nicer stock or pistol grip though. The higher dollar ones like the SR9T and SR9TC will have that. Those are the ones you see sell for like $4000.

There is some good info about the differences and why the SR9 exists here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_SR9
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Old September 11, 2012, 09:15 PM   #19
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Honestly, if you are just looking for a shooter and aren't worried about collector value, the PTR rifles are just fine. You can spend about half as much and get similar performance.

I understand wanting to have the real deal thing, but if its not important to you, don't worry about spending the extra money to get the HK.
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Old September 12, 2012, 08:01 PM   #20
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For that money I could have an M1A w/optic and a backpack full of mags.
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Old September 13, 2012, 06:34 PM   #21
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Is there a reason you're interested in a genuine HK rather than the PTR? Might've missed that when I skimmed through. Most people seem to think the PTR's are as good if not better than the hk's at a much lower cost. I've only handled the PTR so i can't comment.
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Old September 13, 2012, 07:05 PM   #22
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The PTRs have a heavier barrel - main reason. The SAR3/8s and HK91s use a lighter barrel. But I opted to buy a ACOG for my AR15 instead, maybe buy a 30 cal suppressor too.
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Old September 13, 2012, 08:36 PM   #23
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Could look at the GI model PTR then, uses a Hk spec (lighter) barrel, with deeper flutes, and surplus furniture so it runs a bit cheaper than the other ptr's

Though they're both listed as 9.5 pounds. And when i looked up the weight of a G3 it came out to 9.9.

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Old September 14, 2012, 07:38 AM   #24
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+1 for the new PTRs. I had one and it was a machine - zero failures.

They do come with the original profile (lighter) barrels now.

Bill Springfield is the guy to do trigger improvements and magazine paddle conversions.
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