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Old September 7, 2012, 10:10 PM   #26
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A cartritge has to develope 500 ft lbs of energy at 100 yards. The 357 is out there also.
While I agree that the 357 magnum is not legal in Montana, the quoted is not the reason, there are loads that out of a carbine still have over 900 foot pounds at 100 yards.
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all 25 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple
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Old September 7, 2012, 10:24 PM   #27
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the 357 magnum is not legal in Montana, the quoted is not the reason, there are loads that out of a carbine still have over 900 foot pounds at 100 yards.
Not out of my Marlin they wont. The 357 wasn't designed to be that hot.
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Old September 7, 2012, 10:30 PM   #28
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this ammo is hot but its not out of spec for a 357 magnum. The ballistic tables are accurate.

Buffalo bore stats are pretty accurate ask around here if you like. Even if they boost the FPS by 100 fps its still doing over 500 foot pounds of energy at 200 yards.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=102


in fact I can bust out 500 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards from my 6 inch handgun and I have an old post around here with pictures of the chronograph to prove it.

1800 fps at 10 feet from chronograph. .14 BC 125 grain bullet


While the 357 magnum is no where near ideal and is actually very weak for a deer round it is possable... most of my deer have been taken with a 357 magnum 1894 trapper (typically 158 grain bullets though I have played with 180)

p.s. sorry if I seem defencive I am just excited that this is a point that I can prove.
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all 25 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple

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Old September 7, 2012, 10:52 PM   #29
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Thats pretty pricy. 20 rounds for $28.

I'll stick to my cast bulles, I can load a box of 50 for $1.60

I hunt with Model 70s anyway.

But I have killed moose and buffalo with my loads out of a 4 inch Model 28, don't see the justification for Buffalo Bore, even if they work as advertized.
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Old September 7, 2012, 10:57 PM   #30
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I actually agree... while its fun to flaunt numbers in the end dead is dead. Shot placement is 100X more important than power. My grandfather talks about killing a white tale with a 22 rifle when he was a kid and laws where not so strict.

any way my original point was that a 30 carbine should be fine so long as the shooter does there part.
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Old September 10, 2012, 03:56 AM   #31
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Took my 1st whitetail buck with a Ruger BH in .30 carbine. Used a 110 gn SP.
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