Internet Purchase Rec'd Without FFL

ruthts · August 26, 2012, 12:21 AM

We purchase guns online and have a C. & R license. However, one purchase arrived and the seller had not included a copy of their FFL/C & R/ or any ID with the firearm and have not sent anything despite our requests.
What is the liability on this? Does it just fall on us that the record we have to keep does not include an FFL or ID from the seller?

**JohnKSa** · August 26, 2012, 12:59 AM

Was the seller a resident of your state? If so, and if he/she is a non-dealer, there is no obligation on his/her part to provide you with any information.

ruthts · August 26, 2012, 01:42 AM

It was an out of state purchase.

**Tom Servo** · August 26, 2012, 10:11 AM

Was the seller an FFL? If so, you can give the ATF Field Division in their area a call, and they can verify the seller's license and FFL number.

Armorer-at-Law · August 26, 2012, 11:57 AM

The sender is not required to provide a copy of their FFL, but you do need identification information for your A&D book.

ruthts · August 26, 2012, 11:53 PM

Is it OK to leave the information we do have in our A & D book without their FFL number, even though they have a FFL?

**Tom Servo** · August 27, 2012, 12:08 AM

If you have the name of the business and their address, that's fine.

August 26, 2012, 12:21 AM	#1
ruthts Junior Member Join Date: August 26, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 5	Internet Purchase Rec'd Without FFL We purchase guns online and have a C. & R license. However, one purchase arrived and the seller had not included a copy of their FFL/C & R/ or any ID with the firearm and have not sent anything despite our requests. What is the liability on this? Does it just fall on us that the record we have to keep does not include an FFL or ID from the seller?

August 26, 2012, 12:59 AM	#2
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 16,759	Was the seller a resident of your state? If so, and if he/she is a non-dealer, there is no obligation on his/her part to provide you with any information. __________________ Did you know that there is a TEXAS State Rifle Association? Check out Black Bear Flashlights.

August 26, 2012, 10:11 AM	#4
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalach Posts: 7,104	Was the seller an FFL? If so, you can give the ATF Field Division in their area a call, and they can verify the seller's license and FFL number. __________________ In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer. --Albert Camus

August 26, 2012, 11:57 AM	#5
Armorer-at-Law Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 227	The sender is not required to provide a copy of their FFL, but you do need identification information for your A&D book. __________________ Send lawyers, guns, and money... (Formerly known as "Henry Bowman" on THR) Armorer-at-Law.com

August 27, 2012, 12:08 AM	#7
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalach Posts: 7,104	If you have the name of the business and their address, that's fine. __________________ In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer. --Albert Camus

August 26, 2012, 01:42 AM	#3
ruthts Junior Member Join Date: August 26, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 5	It was an out of state purchase.

August 26, 2012, 11:53 PM	#6
ruthts Junior Member Join Date: August 26, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 5	Is it OK to leave the information we do have in our A & D book without their FFL number, even though they have a FFL?