Good Friend Got Into A Gun Fight

doc540 · August 11, 2012, 07:59 PM

http://www.12newsnow.com/story/19253...not-successful

Just talked to him.

He prepared.
He trained.
He acted prudently.
He's alive.
Perp is wounded and in jail.

Cliffs:
Truck in the next parking space
Perp jumps out, throws down on him with a shotgun
Friend is seated with one foot inside his Jeep Cherokee
Keeps talking to perp and pushing shotgun barrel sideways
Says he's getting his wallet.
Pulls his Ruger 709 Slim from kidney carry
Fires once
Perps falls backwards, drops shotgun, jumps up and runs

K9 finds the perp shot through the hip and hiding.

Friend goes home alive to his wife and kids.

Scorch · August 11, 2012, 08:02 PM

That's a happy ending to an otherwise not so happy story. Glad your friend is OK.

arch308 · August 11, 2012, 08:03 PM

OUTSTANDING!

wayneinFL · August 11, 2012, 08:14 PM

Tell your friend he did a good job. He's undoubtedly saved future victims of this criminal. I'm sure he knows he did the right thing, but he needs to hear it.

insomni · August 11, 2012, 08:14 PM

excellent! Very glad your friend isn't laying in the hospital or the morgue!

osageid · August 11, 2012, 08:27 PM

Outstanding is right! Glad that society can see that gun ownership is necessary in this age!

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afone1 · August 11, 2012, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Pulls his Ruger 709 Slim from kidney carry

Ruger doesn't make a 709 Slim.

Do you mean Taurus 709 Slim?

doc540 · August 11, 2012, 09:57 PM

Taurus

He kept talking to the perp and pushing aside the shotgun barrel.

Reached for his wallet, shot from across his lap.

Not much room between vehicles in a parking lot, so the perp fell/jumped backwards and rolled behind the truck.

By the time Aaron got to his feet and carefully looked behind the truck, the perp had dropped the shotgun, rolled, and got up and ran into the darkness.

good job and very lucky

output · August 11, 2012, 10:06 PM

Quote:

He prepared.
He trained.
He acted prudently.
He's alive.

That is the best any of us can ask for.

Nanuk · August 11, 2012, 10:13 PM

OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!

Bellasogno · August 12, 2012, 08:31 AM

Tell your friend, Thank you & great job!

"Glad that society can see that gun ownership is necessary in this age!"
I only wish that this were entirely true. Reality is that a large percentage of society does not.

Marquezj16 · August 12, 2012, 09:21 AM

Your friend did an awesome job!

Never know how it will go down until you are faced with the situation. His training definitely helped.

Double Naught Spy · August 12, 2012, 09:41 AM

Great job!

Two funny sort of observations:
1. Folks say not to take a pistol to rifle fight. That would go double for a shotgun fight and yet again, when used effectively, amount of firepower isn't what determines the winner.
2. Shot through the hip and fell, jumped, rolled behind a truck and then ran away? So shooting through the hip did pretty much NOTHING to immobilize the shotgunner. The hip wasn't shattered and if bone was even hit, damage didn't preclude some significant physcical events that allowed him to get away initially. So it was fortunate that he dropped the shotgun because he was still ambulatory. That isn't to downplay the success of the event or to suggest shooting the hip was the intent (which it did not appear to be), but the use of hip shots to make physical stops. Hitting the hip doesn't mean the perp is crippled.

jmortimer · August 12, 2012, 10:17 AM

"More Guns Less Crime" or "More Guns, Less Criminals"

skoro · August 12, 2012, 02:27 PM

Chalk up one for the good guys.

doc: glad your friend is OK. That's never assured in a situation like that. He done good.

Dwight55 · August 12, 2012, 02:38 PM

Hey, Doc, . . . give your friend a glad hand for me too, . . .

Just goes to show that there was some truth to the statement the old cowboy made when the NYC reporter asked him why he carried a gun.

He replied, "Well, . . . out here there are just some folks that need to be shot" and your friend proved him right.

May God bless,
Dwight

hlds54 · August 12, 2012, 02:42 PM

Thats great! happy hes ok and the bad guys in jail

power5 · August 12, 2012, 04:19 PM

Human body has a great way to not allow pain to stop a bad guy. Adrenalin will keep a bad guy moving till you hit spine, brain, or heart.

Was the Shotgun even loaded? I guess its not like the movies. Bad guy goes down and continues to unload his weapon. One 9mm shot and the guy was incapacitated. Would have been the same with a 38 or 50. Bad guy would have dropped his gun and ran like the coward he was. He would have been in more pain in his hiding spot with a 50 than with the 9 wound though.

Great outcome for sure.

osageid · August 12, 2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bellasogno

Tell your friend, Thank you & great job!

"Glad that society can see that gun ownership is necessary in this age!"
I only wish that this were entirely true. Reality is that a large percentage of society does not.

Trying to be optimistic

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Friar Whently · August 12, 2012, 06:10 PM

It's good your friend is ok.

Would others have done the same in the situation? I ask this not from any sort of legal perspective, but from a personal safety standpoint. I might've been too afraid that the dude would've unloaded his shotgun if I had tried anything. It almost seems that the only thing that saved him was that the perp dropped the shotgun as he fell back. At a range close enough for me to touch the barrel, a shotgun blast would've been devastating. Maybe it wasn't loaded, but you can't know that at the time.

Then again, I suppose you can't whether or not the perp would just shoot you once he gets your wallet anyway...it would've been a tough call.

doc540 · August 12, 2012, 07:50 PM

He definitely went through the "decision" thought process.

He told me the perp's eyes and voice got "harder", and that's what caused him to decide to draw and shoot.

He really thought the guy was going to shoot him even if he gave up his wallet.

CharlieDeltaJuliet · August 12, 2012, 08:58 PM

I am glad to hear he is ok.... Support him, this will be a tough time for him. Like others said, re-assure him that he did the right thing. People (anti's) tend to cast judgement on law biding citizens who use firearms even to defend themselves.

Vermonter · August 12, 2012, 09:30 PM

Quote:

He told me the perp's eyes and voice got "harder", and that's what caused him to decide to draw and shoot.

That is one of those things that you probably could have only been aware of if you were there. I know exactly what he means yet it would be impossible to replicate the feeling unless you were in the moment.

Tell him good for him.

Regards and Prayers, Vermonter

TheNocturnus · August 13, 2012, 02:30 AM

Glad he survived and was not charged. I love hearing stories where a CCW permit holder comes out on top. This is why I carry.

Brit · August 13, 2012, 04:55 AM

Seems to be a normal reaction, by BG, who gets shot. OWE! Drops gun, runs.

Found, shot. I wonder if this is the robber (in training) we were looking for, says Police. Dog thinks (Lunch?)

August 11, 2012, 07:59 PM	#1
doc540 Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,339	Good Friend Got Into A Gun Fight http://www.12newsnow.com/story/19253...not-successful Just talked to him. He prepared. He trained. He acted prudently. He's alive. Perp is wounded and in jail. Cliffs: Truck in the next parking space Perp jumps out, throws down on him with a shotgun Friend is seated with one foot inside his Jeep Cherokee Keeps talking to perp and pushing shotgun barrel sideways Says he's getting his wallet. Pulls his Ruger 709 Slim from kidney carry Fires once Perps falls backwards, drops shotgun, jumps up and runs K9 finds the perp shot through the hip and hiding. Friend goes home alive to his wife and kids. __________________ Shooting more, typing less

August 11, 2012, 08:02 PM	#2
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 11,044	That's a happy ending to an otherwise not so happy story. Glad your friend is OK. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Taylor Machine

August 11, 2012, 09:57 PM	#8
doc540 Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,339	Taurus He kept talking to the perp and pushing aside the shotgun barrel. Reached for his wallet, shot from across his lap. Not much room between vehicles in a parking lot, so the perp fell/jumped backwards and rolled behind the truck. By the time Aaron got to his feet and carefully looked behind the truck, the perp had dropped the shotgun, rolled, and got up and ran into the darkness. good job and very lucky __________________ Shooting more, typing less

August 11, 2012, 10:13 PM	#10
Nanuk Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2005 Location: Where the deer and the antelope roam. Posts: 1,431	OUTSTANDING!!!!!!! __________________ My rifle and pistol are tools, I am the weapon.

August 12, 2012, 08:31 AM	#11
Bellasogno Member Join Date: August 14, 2011 Location: Rural, outside of Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 61	Tell your friend, Thank you & great job! "Glad that society can see that gun ownership is necessary in this age!" I only wish that this were entirely true. Reality is that a large percentage of society does not. __________________ Blaming guns for crimes is the same as blaming forks for obesity.

August 11, 2012, 08:03 PM	#3
arch308 Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2011 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 714	OUTSTANDING!

August 11, 2012, 08:14 PM	#4
wayneinFL Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2004 Posts: 1,694	Tell your friend he did a good job. He's undoubtedly saved future victims of this criminal. I'm sure he knows he did the right thing, but he needs to hear it.

August 11, 2012, 08:14 PM	#5
insomni Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2011 Posts: 331	excellent! Very glad your friend isn't laying in the hospital or the morgue!

August 11, 2012, 08:27 PM	#6
osageid Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2010 Posts: 274	Outstanding is right! Glad that society can see that gun ownership is necessary in this age! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

August 12, 2012, 09:21 AM	#12
Marquezj16 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2011 Posts: 2,067	Your friend did an awesome job! Never know how it will go down until you are faced with the situation. His training definitely helped.

August 12, 2012, 09:41 AM	#13
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague County, Texas Posts: 9,738	Great job! Two funny sort of observations: 1. Folks say not to take a pistol to rifle fight. That would go double for a shotgun fight and yet again, when used effectively, amount of firepower isn't what determines the winner. 2. Shot through the hip and fell, jumped, rolled behind a truck and then ran away? So shooting through the hip did pretty much NOTHING to immobilize the shotgunner. The hip wasn't shattered and if bone was even hit, damage didn't preclude some significant physcical events that allowed him to get away initially. So it was fortunate that he dropped the shotgun because he was still ambulatory. That isn't to downplay the success of the event or to suggest shooting the hip was the intent (which it did not appear to be), but the use of hip shots to make physical stops. Hitting the hip doesn't mean the perp is crippled. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011

August 12, 2012, 10:17 AM	#14
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,765	"More Guns Less Crime" or "More Guns, Less Criminals"

August 12, 2012, 02:27 PM	#15
skoro Senior Member Join Date: April 30, 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,241	Chalk up one for the good guys. doc: glad your friend is OK. That's never assured in a situation like that. He done good.

August 12, 2012, 02:38 PM	#16
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,470	Hey, Doc, . . . give your friend a glad hand for me too, . . . Just goes to show that there was some truth to the statement the old cowboy made when the NYC reporter asked him why he carried a gun. He replied, "Well, . . . out here there are just some folks that need to be shot" and your friend proved him right. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

August 12, 2012, 02:42 PM	#17
hlds54 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2011 Location: Martinsburg WV Posts: 129	Thats great! happy hes ok and the bad guys in jail __________________ "Survival favors the prepared mind."

August 12, 2012, 04:19 PM	#18
power5 Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2012 Posts: 101	Human body has a great way to not allow pain to stop a bad guy. Adrenalin will keep a bad guy moving till you hit spine, brain, or heart. Was the Shotgun even loaded? I guess its not like the movies. Bad guy goes down and continues to unload his weapon. One 9mm shot and the guy was incapacitated. Would have been the same with a 38 or 50. Bad guy would have dropped his gun and ran like the coward he was. He would have been in more pain in his hiding spot with a 50 than with the 9 wound though. Great outcome for sure.

August 12, 2012, 06:10 PM	#20
Friar Whently Member Join Date: December 29, 2011 Posts: 57	It's good your friend is ok. Would others have done the same in the situation? I ask this not from any sort of legal perspective, but from a personal safety standpoint. I might've been too afraid that the dude would've unloaded his shotgun if I had tried anything. It almost seems that the only thing that saved him was that the perp dropped the shotgun as he fell back. At a range close enough for me to touch the barrel, a shotgun blast would've been devastating. Maybe it wasn't loaded, but you can't know that at the time. Then again, I suppose you can't whether or not the perp would just shoot you once he gets your wallet anyway...it would've been a tough call.

August 12, 2012, 07:50 PM	#21
doc540 Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,339	He definitely went through the "decision" thought process. He told me the perp's eyes and voice got "harder", and that's what caused him to decide to draw and shoot. He really thought the guy was going to shoot him even if he gave up his wallet. __________________ Shooting more, typing less

August 12, 2012, 08:58 PM	#22
CharlieDeltaJuliet Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2012 Posts: 424	I am glad to hear he is ok.... Support him, this will be a tough time for him. Like others said, re-assure him that he did the right thing. People (anti's) tend to cast judgement on law biding citizens who use firearms even to defend themselves.

August 13, 2012, 02:30 AM	#24
TheNocturnus Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,083	Glad he survived and was not charged. I love hearing stories where a CCW permit holder comes out on top. This is why I carry. __________________ My EDC: Gun Wallet Brain (Use this one the most)

August 13, 2012, 04:55 AM	#25
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 690	Seems to be a normal reaction, by BG, who gets shot. OWE! Drops gun, runs. Found, shot. I wonder if this is the robber (in training) we were looking for, says Police. Dog thinks (Lunch?)