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Old August 5, 2012, 07:17 PM   #1
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Stockpiling AR-15 lowers, insurance against AWB?

I was only 14 when the first AWB was passed, but how available were AR-15 parts while the AWB was in effect?

If a guy had a stockpile of AR-15 stripped lowers, would you be able to find the parts you needed to build AR-15's while the ban was in place?

With the current political climate, I'm thinking of buying a stripped lower each month and just hanging on to them; just in case.

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Old August 5, 2012, 09:32 PM   #2
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You can get the polymer ones pretty cheap. If you order online you can usually get an FFL to cut you a deal on multiple transfers. You have to buy them at once though.
I am not expecting any AWBs in the near future.
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Old August 5, 2012, 09:37 PM   #3
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If a guy had a stockpile of AR-15 stripped lowers, would you be able to find the parts you needed to build AR-15's while the ban was in place?
There are gun shops that literally have thousands of them they bought during the last big gun scare... or was it the one before that?

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I'm thinking of buying a stripped lower each month and just hanging on to them; just in case.
Great.... I'll know where to buy some real cheap next year.

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Old August 5, 2012, 10:01 PM   #4
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What if the "new AWB" requires you to turn in all your "assault rifle" receivers??
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Old August 5, 2012, 10:13 PM   #5
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What if the "new AWB" requires you to turn in all your "assault rifle" receivers??
I don't see that happening, but then... I suppose many of us will become criminals, won't we.

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Old August 5, 2012, 10:26 PM   #6
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(1) The liberal media is trying to make you believe that 100% of all Americans are in a uproar about guns when the reality is that most Americans cherish this freedom and most of Washington does not have the stomach to tackle this issue.
(2) I am more concerned that a huge tax will be passed on ammunition that would make the average round cost $3.50-$4.00 a piece.
(3) I doubt seriously any of us are going to wear out our lowers in this lifetime especially if you have a spare parts kit on hand.
(4) I am not worried about any confiscation of my lowers because they were all stolen in a break in last night.
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Old August 5, 2012, 10:41 PM   #7
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I am not worried about any confiscation of my lowers because they were all stolen in a break in last night.
I know... a guy tried to sell me one this morning. It looked stolen.



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Old August 5, 2012, 10:58 PM   #8
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At this point I'm not really concerned about the rifles being outright banned, and if there is an outright ban I'd assume that getting uppers and other parts to actually build out those lowers wouldn't be very easy.

What I am trying to stock up on at this point is magazines. I just placed a $200 order with AIM Surplus for some more Pmags (and a few other Magpul goodies ). If legislation were attempted I don't believe they would go straight for outright bans on guns, but I do believe they would attempt things like magazine capacity limits and other "common sense", as they like to call it, regulations.
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Old August 6, 2012, 06:42 AM   #9
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The last Supreme Court ruling upheld the 2nd A, I don't think the beltway kids can do much about fire arms. What they can do is tax the hell out anything fire arm related. Possibly go after magazine capacity.

We well have a clearer picture in three months.
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Old August 6, 2012, 07:15 AM   #10
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If it is written the same as the previous ban. (Which it probably wouldn't be). Stripped lowers will still be post ban if assembled after the date the ban was enacted.

The lower receiver would have had to have been an "assault weapon" at the time the ban was enacted.

So unless it was assembled and attached to an upper with the "bad" features, it wouldn't count.

But I wouldn't count on that in the future. The last bill put forth was even more restrictive than the 1994 ban.
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Old August 6, 2012, 08:34 AM   #11
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In addition to the issues Crow Hunter pointed out with the 1994 ban, several of the more recent ban attempts (HR1022) would treat a free-float handguard or AR15 upper the same as a prohibited weapon, so having a supply of stripped lowers would not do you much good.

Not to mention the latest magazine ban attempt grandfathers old magazines but prohibits transfers. 10 lowers won't do you much good if you can't get the parts to build them out and can't sell them or pass them on to your children.
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Old August 6, 2012, 09:03 AM   #12
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Old August 6, 2012, 09:14 AM   #13
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Old August 6, 2012, 09:33 AM   #14
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^ Yep.

Ammo will be the next big target after mag capacity. There may be outright bans on certain calibers, attacks on lead, or maybe insanely high taxes. I'm sure someone will make the argument that ammo is not protected by the 2A.
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Old August 6, 2012, 09:47 AM   #15
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Old August 6, 2012, 02:17 PM   #16
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How well would the hold in court though? Wouldn't government agencies suffer as well as the military due to the higher taxes on commercial ammunition? There is a pretty lucrative market when it comes to the selling of surplus ammunition. Of course, government agencies may just be exempt from such a tax.

It gets depressing listening to all this sometimes, if not outright furstrating, enough so that one could scream due to the idiocy that some of these anti gun nuts spout.
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Old August 6, 2012, 02:32 PM   #17
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Old August 6, 2012, 02:38 PM   #18
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Of course, government agencies may just be exempt from such a tax.
I have no doubt they would be.
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Old August 6, 2012, 06:32 PM   #19
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Just imagine a second term where he doesn't have to worry about getting reelected.....
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Old August 6, 2012, 06:47 PM   #20
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And he'll have an opportunity to replace possibly two Supreme Court justices, practically guaranteeing a loss for the next 2A case.
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Old August 6, 2012, 08:38 PM   #21
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Best guess is that things could unfold like they did in D.C. if they were to pursue that avenue at all. It's difficult to get a gun there (though not impossible). But I think it's more likely that they will tax the hell out of ammo. Stock up.

A synopsis of District of Columbia state laws on purchase, possession and carrying of firearms.

PURCHASE
A person may buy a firearm only from, or sell only to, a licensed dealer in the District. Delivery cannot be made until the registration certificate for the firearm is approved by the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD). Ammunition may be bought only for the caliber or gauge of a firearm registered to the buyer.

POSSESSION
All firearms must be registered with the MPD. To obtain a registration certificate, the applicant must be 21 years old (or be over 18 and have a notorized permission and liability statement signed by his parent or guardian), pass a vision test or have a valid D.C. driver’s license, complete a firearms training course conducted by a state-certified firearms instructor or a certified military firearms instructor that includes one hour of firing training and 4 hours of classroom instruction.

CARRY
Carrying a handgun, rifle, or shotgun in the District is prohibited, except that a person holding a valid registration for a firearm may carry it in his home or place of business, while it is being used for lawful recreational purposes, and while being being transported for a lawful purpose in accordance with District or federal statute. No license to carry is available.

ps- last I heard, there was only one gun shop available in DC

edit: the classroom instruction requirement might have been waived

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Old August 6, 2012, 08:50 PM   #22
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During the Assault Ban they made a few cosmetic changes to AR-15s and AK-47s which were legal to sell then. Plus you had pre-ban weapons which were still legal to sell. Companies that had pre ban magazines made a crapload selling them. The only one that benefited from the assault ban was gun companies.
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Old August 6, 2012, 09:25 PM   #23
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Why because they were able to charge a little more for there guns because of the supply and demand aftershock of the AWB. I hardly think that any gun maker/companies benefited from the AWB. That's like saying only car companies benefit from higher MPG restrictions imposed by the EPA.....
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Old August 6, 2012, 10:15 PM   #24
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If there's another AWB then I'll convert everything I into a machine gun because if they make a criminal out of me for not giving up my guns then I might as well be the best criminal I can be.
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Old August 6, 2012, 10:24 PM   #25
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First they ban guns, then they ban ammo. Next the guns go way down in price, then the ammo all disappears......wth am I doing with 20 AR lowers in my basement?

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