Mystery .22 Pistol

Jedracing · June 19, 2012, 04:24 PM

New to this forum and wonder if there is anyone here that can identify this old pistol?
.22 Short or older, bolt action
NO markings anywhere, outside, inside, wood, metal nowhere

aarondhgraham · June 19, 2012, 04:30 PM

But it is way cool!

Aarond

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buckhorn · June 19, 2012, 04:46 PM

looks home-made. Especially with NO markings. Maybe some one cut off a rifle barrel [ Before the markings ] and put it in a hand-made grip. Where did you get it? How long is the barrel? Somebody on this forum will know, but I don't. Who ever did it used nice wood. I looked through my gun books and the action KINDA looks like an old Stevens single-shot .22. And those were made in .22 short.

TailGator · June 19, 2012, 04:57 PM

Is the barrel hexagonal, or is that a trick of the lighting? Does the metal go all the way down the forestrap and backstrap? Both the wood and the workmanship on the grip look nice. I am intrigued, but I haven't a clue. If you don't get an answer on TFL, though, you may never find out.

**Mike Irwin** · June 19, 2012, 06:05 PM

That's very likely a Flobert parlor pistol. Probably .22 CB or BB cap, or 6mm.

I would guess that it's European and you're simply not finding the European markings on it, but it could have been made elsewhere.

gyvel · June 19, 2012, 07:13 PM

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That's very likely a Flobert parlor pistol.

Technically, A "Flobert" pistol will have a swiveling plate that acts as a breechplate. This would more accurately be described as a typical bolt action "parlor" pistol.

I searched the Gun Digest 1911 Alfa catalogue reprint, but I couldn't find anything that matched it exactly. This type of pistol was common in the latter 19th and early 20th centuries, and yours looks like a plain Jane lower end type.

**Mike Irwin** · June 19, 2012, 07:22 PM

"Technically, A "Flobert" pistol will have a swiveling plate that acts as a breechplate."

Very true. But I'm off the clock, so to hell with technical.

SDC · June 19, 2012, 07:26 PM

Interesting; it looks as if the bolt cam is cut on an angle, allowing it to eject fired cases automatically; if that's the case, this would be what the Germans call "halb-automatische"/"half-automatic". The styling is European, but there should almost certainly be some sort of proof-marks somewhere on it; have you had it out of the wood?

Jedracing · June 19, 2012, 09:08 PM

Oh yeah, I've looked under a magnifier over everything.
Yes it is hexagonal.
The metal goes all the way back into the grip

bedbugbilly · June 21, 2012, 09:30 PM

I don't know why folks refer to the barrel as "hexagon" . . .

Hex = 6
Oct = 8

Other than a homemade muzzleloading pistol that someone put together using hexagon (6 sided) bar stock for a barrel, in over 50 years of collecting I've never seen a "hex barrel". Barrels that are 8 sided are "Octagon" - and they are measured across the flats. i.e. 3/4", 13/16", 7/8", etc.

chris in va · June 21, 2012, 09:35 PM

Looks like six sides to me.

Well, maybe not if the top is flat.

Bill DeShivs · June 21, 2012, 09:46 PM

Looks hexagonal to me, too.

Salmoneye · June 22, 2012, 06:46 AM

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I don't know why folks refer to the barrel as "hexagon" . . .

Mainly because the gun in the pic has a six sided barrel...

gyvel · June 24, 2012, 04:41 AM

I believe the barrel is octagonal. You are seeing three side flats in the photo, but what is not clear is the top and bottom flats because of the angle at which the photo was taken.

Salmoneye · June 24, 2012, 08:09 AM

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I believe the barrel is octagonal. You are seeing three side flats in the photo, but what is not clear is the top and bottom flats because of the angle at which the photo was taken.

Enlarging the pic in PS it sure looks like 6 sides...We see 3, and the sights are clearly dovetailed across an angle at the top of the barrel...

They are not on a 'flat' as we are used to seeing...

Quick crude attempt to show what I mean:

June 19, 2012, 04:24 PM	#1
Jedracing Junior Member Join Date: June 19, 2012 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 4	Mystery .22 Pistol New to this forum and wonder if there is anyone here that can identify this old pistol? .22 Short or older, bolt action NO markings anywhere, outside, inside, wood, metal nowhere

June 19, 2012, 04:30 PM	#2
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 6,356	I have no idea,,, But it is way cool! Aarond . __________________ Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Combat: "A Silent Cry" Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

June 19, 2012, 04:46 PM	#3
buckhorn Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2012 Location: mid michigan Posts: 193	looks home-made. Especially with NO markings. Maybe some one cut off a rifle barrel [ Before the markings ] and put it in a hand-made grip. Where did you get it? How long is the barrel? Somebody on this forum will know, but I don't. Who ever did it used nice wood. I looked through my gun books and the action KINDA looks like an old Stevens single-shot .22. And those were made in .22 short. Last edited by buckhorn; June 19, 2012 at 04:53 PM.

June 19, 2012, 06:05 PM	#5
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 33,116	That's very likely a Flobert parlor pistol. Probably .22 CB or BB cap, or 6mm. I would guess that it's European and you're simply not finding the European markings on it, but it could have been made elsewhere. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 19, 2012, 07:22 PM	#7
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 33,116	"Technically, A "Flobert" pistol will have a swiveling plate that acts as a breechplate." Very true. But I'm off the clock, so to hell with technical. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 19, 2012, 04:57 PM	#4
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,597	Is the barrel hexagonal, or is that a trick of the lighting? Does the metal go all the way down the forestrap and backstrap? Both the wood and the workmanship on the grip look nice. I am intrigued, but I haven't a clue. If you don't get an answer on TFL, though, you may never find out.

June 19, 2012, 07:26 PM	#8
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,575	Interesting; it looks as if the bolt cam is cut on an angle, allowing it to eject fired cases automatically; if that's the case, this would be what the Germans call "halb-automatische"/"half-automatic". The styling is European, but there should almost certainly be some sort of proof-marks somewhere on it; have you had it out of the wood? __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

June 19, 2012, 09:08 PM	#9
Jedracing Junior Member Join Date: June 19, 2012 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 4	Oh yeah, I've looked under a magnifier over everything. Yes it is hexagonal. The metal goes all the way back into the grip

June 21, 2012, 09:30 PM	#10
bedbugbilly Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 1,320	I don't know why folks refer to the barrel as "hexagon" . . . Hex = 6 Oct = 8 Other than a homemade muzzleloading pistol that someone put together using hexagon (6 sided) bar stock for a barrel, in over 50 years of collecting I've never seen a "hex barrel". Barrels that are 8 sided are "Octagon" - and they are measured across the flats. i.e. 3/4", 13/16", 7/8", etc. __________________ If a pair of '51 Navies were good enough for Billy Hickok, then a single Navy on my right hip is good enough for me . . . besides . . . I'm probably only half as good as he was anyways. Hiram's Rangers Badge #63

June 21, 2012, 09:35 PM	#11
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 11,718	Looks like six sides to me. Well, maybe not if the top is flat.

June 21, 2012, 09:46 PM	#12
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 6,457	Looks hexagonal to me, too. __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

June 24, 2012, 04:41 AM	#14
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 3,458	I believe the barrel is octagonal. You are seeing three side flats in the photo, but what is not clear is the top and bottom flats because of the angle at which the photo was taken.