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Old June 9, 2012, 08:56 AM   #26
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my experience was different

I have a Taurus revolver that got messed up because of what I did to it. I had a squib reload that got caught in the forcing cone; I had to pound the cylinder open & I ended up bending the crane. I sent it in for repair. It was repaired, no questions asked, returned promptly & has been flawless. It was clean, packaged right, etc.

I bought it new in ~ 1993 Right out of the box it was extremely accurate and the single action trigger breaks like the proverbial glass rod. I have a buddy that bought a PT92(?) that gave him trouble. Another bud has a 45ACP Milenium Pro & a Judge and hasn't had any problems with them.
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Old June 9, 2012, 09:15 AM   #27
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Seems to be 'the luck of the draw' with this outfit. They have made a couple of guns--like the 450--that I'd gamble on, if the price was right.
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Old June 9, 2012, 10:27 PM   #28
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I dont know bout all of you other guys out there, but one thing that annoys the poodle out of me is the gun mags. They give glowing reviews of every gun they review, with maybe a little nit to pick about a few ftfs or fte or other such problems. Only paying the issues lipservice and then going on to say the gun is top notch.

Every so often you see a review of a new taurus gun and not one mention of this companies QC issues. I know Mas Ayoob is a memeber here, It is my hope he will chime in on this issue. Why dont the gun mags ever do any articles on Taurus's continued lack of serious quality controll and poor customer service. Why arnt they talking about the fact that buying a taurus is like playing the lottery, you never know if your getting the winning number till its to friggin late. I should know, one of my first auto pistols was a tuarus pt945, everytime i would pull the trigger, the magazine plate would fall out and bullets tumble out of the gun. Now at this time you could not(and still cant around here) find taurus mags anywhere, and i didnt have internet then.

I truely wish the QC problem was resolved becuase they have a few products id buy right now, if i knew that i stood a chance of getting a quality product. Namely the M856 all steel snubby and the 24/7 lineup.
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Old June 9, 2012, 10:45 PM   #29
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My judge was broken out of the box also. Sent it back and fourth many times for about a year. Nothing ever fixed, no documentation other than the word "repaired" or "replaced". They REFUSED to talk to me. If I argued with the person who answered the phone about talking to a manager or anyone higher up they would dump me in a no name voicemail and I never got a return call. Finally did a very well written and documented BBB complaint. Had a check in a month.
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Old June 9, 2012, 10:50 PM   #30
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I know people who own Judges and met people at the range with them, no problems. Some are just lemons and Taurus has a bigger lemon bucket than others.
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Old June 10, 2012, 01:39 PM   #31
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Seems to me we may have a whining customer trend instead of product problems repeating itself here. The very same comments were made continuously about Ruger in the early 1980's--if anyone remembers?Gun owners willing and able to smooth out burrs and mill marks, polish feed ramps and forcing cones, and replace trigger and extractor springs will almost always be happy with most firearms.

Over at the Kel-tec forum, the very same sack of spit goes on continuously even though they make some of the most concealable, affordable, reliable, and light weight firearms on the market. If Taurus makes total crap, then just tell me why there's a Judge and a 1911 lying all over every single gun shop counter in the USA? Seems like sensible shop guys would nill them for something else, so much so that Smith and Wesson brings out similar models of each years later. What gives?

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Old June 10, 2012, 02:43 PM   #32
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a7,

So what your saying is, if I spend hundreds of dollars on a handgun I should not mind having to finish what the factory didn't? That's absurd. Any filing, fitting or polishing should be done at the factory before its shipped out.

Taurus has some great designs and their catalog has something for everyone. Couple that with their competitive prices and excellent marketing and you've got products that will sell. I think it also has a lot to do with first time buyers who don't really know about the over looked details that leave them with a lemon.

It's pretty obvious that Taurus uses a pump and dump strategy; get the guns out there and deal with the issues later. And when a certain model has a design flaw or defect, rather than issue recalls, the model just disappears from their catalog. I don't need Mas Ayoob or any other gun writer to tell me that Taurus does not stand behind their poorly made (for the most part) products. I had to learn the hard way, like most other former Taurus owners.
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Old June 10, 2012, 02:56 PM   #33
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That's pretty close. What I'm actually saying is that most shooters want to fork over a few hundred dollars for a gun and expect it to perform like a thousand dollar gun or match gun. That's just stupid thinking, and I'm guilty of having a pinchant for cheap spit myself. When many people own several of their designs without ever having a hitch, what gives? They have a lifetime warranty, so what else would you want? That's a helluva lot more than S&W gave me on my worn out Model 66. My Taurus is still shooting. Go figure. It must be the same kind of tough luck, right?

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Old June 10, 2012, 03:01 PM   #34
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taurus,ect.

Most of a magazines revenue comes from advertisers. Count how many ads Taurus places in major gun magazines. That's a lot of lost revenue if you pan their product.
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Old June 10, 2012, 03:13 PM   #35
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Do gun magazines ignore company performance in general or failures in the guns they review? Let's put it this way.

Company X has a poor history of quality control and honoring warranties.

Company X spends thousands of dollars every month advertising in Great Gunzine.

I am a writer for Great Gunzine.

I write a review of Company X's new Model 9999, saying that the Model 9999 is a sorry POS and complete junk, and that Company X won't honor their warranty. My article is not published, the story is turned over to Joe Toady who will praise the Model 9999, and I will find myself on the unemployment line.

Next question?

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Old June 10, 2012, 03:14 PM   #36
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If Taurus makes total crap, then just tell me why there's a Judge and a 1911 lying all over every single gun shop counter in the USA? Seems like sensible shop guys would nill them for something else, so much so that Smith and Wesson brings out similar models of each years later. What gives?

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Taurus advertises very aggressively, so people buy their stuff. That does not mean their stuff is good. Similarly, just because Kimber buys the front and back cover ads in every magazine for the Ultra Carry doesn't mean a 3" 1911 is an ideal carry option.

I'm not claiming that they're automatically bad for that, but they certainly aren't good because they're on a lot of gun counters. Gun shop owners will carry what sells, period.
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Old June 10, 2012, 03:26 PM   #37
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I think James k. nailed it. If a gun mag.[ And they don't survive on our $25 a year subscription fees ] Can't attract advertisers because they call their products junk, they Get another guy to write a glowing review, and the first guy is outa a job. I really wanted a Judge because of all they ads I read in gun mags., but after I looked further........well you know.
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Old June 10, 2012, 03:27 PM   #38
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a7,

There's a difference between buy a 'cheap' used gun and a cheap new one. The used one, you buy with the knowledge you may have to tweak it a little, maybe put a few bucks in parts. The new gun should work right out of the box. The instances of a new gun being defective should be exceedingly rare and in those instances, the manufacturer should make it right ASAP. No BS, no run-around, no arguing about 'fault'.

Taurus has a high failure rate. I've personally known a dozen folks who bought them and were sorry. I personally know stocking FFL's who used to carry Taurus and won't carry them now. They got tired of shipping guns back & dealing with long time customers who were now dissatisfied customers. Couple that with the innumerable threads from established forum members who never bitch about anything else--but they've had trouble with Taurus--and I see a pattern developing. Taurus has QC problems at an inordinately high rate and they're not particularly motivated to correct those problems ASAP.

I ain't a Taurus hater, I'll buy a 450 one of these days, when the right deal comes along, and that is if I don't buy a Public Defender first. Like you, I just might get lucky and get a good one.
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Old June 10, 2012, 03:58 PM   #39
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Remember I'm on YOUR Side Here!

Anybody ever own a Ford Escort? Two of my friends suggested I pick up one a few years ago. They each had a sedan and a wagon with over 200,000 miles on each of them, and each reported they got over 30 miles per gallon. They each bought theirs used with a little over 100,000 miles on it. We were carpooling a long trip at night together, so I grabbed a sweet-lookin' 1998 model with only 89,000 miles. It was small, but even had a CD changer and electric windows.

It was the beginning of the worst two years in Hades of my life! It left me stranded twice, and I replaced every single electrical component on her, only to have the local dealership to tell me I needed a $1200 fuel pump job. Sold her and lost more money. Came to find out, these buddies had tuned and spent money on theirs all along. What I'm saying is, I needed to check things out really well before hand. I didn't expect it to perform like a Mustang GT, nor ride like a Lincoln, but I did expect it to run for a while. I still had less in the total investment than a new Mustang or Continental after repairs, so go figure.

Same thing with guns and other toys. Expect to replace plugs, belts, hoses and wires. Keep your fingers crossed if you spend Kel-tec money for a Springfield, but please don't whine when it lets you down. If you wanted a custom gun with all hand finishing, you should have bought one. If you can use a screwdriver and sandpaper, then you can probably make your better than it is now. Right this minute, I'll guarantee you somebody is pitching about his new Winchester or Remington letting him down when he could have bought a slick little Kimber for only a couple of hundred more. As for me, I'm very thankful for my Nissans.

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Old June 10, 2012, 04:30 PM   #40
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Reliability, a decent fit and finish do not make a match gun. Those are the basics. Either your standards are ridiculously high or incredibly low.... As for your car analogy, sorry but it does not work here. Wear and tear is one thing, we are talking about a product not working or failing very soon after purchase. As for their warranty, I think Chris Farley put it best in the movie tommy boy...

I'm a Sig and S&W fan to the bone, however, if someone post a bad experience with them I certainly don't hold them at fault. I think it's silly when forum members are lambasted for informing others of an issue with a gun.

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Old June 10, 2012, 04:42 PM   #41
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I have a 1988 Taurus Model 66 in stainless steel. .357. Great revolver, a clone of S&W. Very accurate, too.
It seems that the older Taurus' were quality firearms...
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Old June 10, 2012, 04:45 PM   #42
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I have guns over 20 years old that have never needed the gun smith's touch.If I pay $500 for a new gun[ which I just did] I expect it to work right out of box and be trouble free. And as for Judges and 1911's sitting on every gun stores counter, I remember in 1974 when I bought my first new car, the Chevrolet dealers were packed with Vegas. Chevrolet dealers are independent buisnessman. They own their own dearlerships, but they were stocking what was selling. Same as gun dealers. I bought a Chevelle. And no, my new gun is not a Taurus.
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Old June 11, 2012, 01:20 PM   #43
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Tarus Disappointment

A word to the wise: About twenty years ago I asked the clerk at the gunshop what would be a quality firearm to buy?? He replied," Not a Tarus". I listened and now I read why.
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Old June 11, 2012, 01:56 PM   #44
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A co-worker bought a Taurus Millenium Pro .40 cal on sale from Academy last year on Black Friday. He said he got a great deal, $199 on sale.

This gun has given him nothing but problems. Always FTF's. He has serious buyer's remorse. About to send it back again for more work.

Not brand bashing here, but this, and other Taurus horror stories will keep me far away from them.
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Old June 11, 2012, 01:59 PM   #45
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Ok not to add to the bashing but I had bought a pro24/7 .45 that I was promised the world on from the store. NOt taraus but the sales person. Not the gun company fault I understand, however I took the gun on the range immediatly after purchase 3 shots in and the firing pin cap and the whole assy. came off and shot across my right shoulder. I took it out to the gun smith who said o yes that is not right but I have seen it quit a few times now. He took it saying he would order a new cap and spring set and have it back within a week, no problem however 2 weeks later I drove up to find out the status when he didnt have it ready within the first week. He called taraus with me standing there and they apologized said it was sent back for some reason they would over night it. Again no issue I thought, called him around 5 the next day to be told it never got there and they didnt ship it at all. This went on for about 3 months finally I got upset enough the gun shop gave me store credit and then after all this sold me a used gun as it being brand new. I have never been back to that shop and will not be going to taraus again either.
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Old June 11, 2012, 03:21 PM   #46
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I promised myself I will no longer post on this site as the problem is SO obvious it's becoming repititious. As a victim of bad quality myself, plus the waste of money[I got half what I paid when I sold it] Taurus is going to give me an ulcer, so I'm just going to avoid this site to keep from reminding myself of a POOR DECISION based on ads and pricing. AND NOT DOING RESEARCH BEFORE HAND.
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Old June 11, 2012, 08:18 PM   #47
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Taurus disappointment

Please you have learned your lesson. Before you buy anything check this site first. There is a lot of wisdom to be learned on this forum.
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Old June 11, 2012, 11:40 PM   #48
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Thanks for the words of wisdom, but a few years ago I bought a brand new Taurus TCP 738 based on the glowing review I read in a gun magazine. I wished the writer had reviewed MY gun that I bought, it may have been a different story.
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Old June 12, 2012, 02:16 PM   #49
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I'm just as skeptical as you older members when newbs show up on several of the same bashing posts over and over. Sorry to the OP if your problem was genuine. It's hard to tell without malfunction pics.

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Old June 12, 2012, 03:07 PM   #50
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Do you work for Taurus? just asking. Or are you a gun writer? just asking.
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