An Archive Regarding Reloads and Self-Defense

**Spats McGee** · May 28, 2011, 06:57 PM

Over the past year or so, I have seen the issue of using handloads or reloads for self-defense discussed, dissected, rehashed, and virtually beaten to death. It has come up so often that I finally just decided to create an archive for these threads.

This is not intended to be another discussion thread. It is just intended to be a repository for links to past discussions, so that when someone comes in with questions about this, and they will, someone can just point them to this thread. They can just follow the links from there.

I'll start out with the first few links. If anyone knows of good threads in which this issue is discussed, just post a link in this thread, and I'll update the OP accordingly.

Concealed Carry Ammo - Factory Rounds or Your Reloads?

Do you carry with your own reloads?

Legality of using handloads defensively

Legal problems with reloads

Reloading Defensive Ammunition?

Reloads for self defense

self defense ammo

**Al Norris** · June 2, 2011, 03:53 PM

Other related threads on this topic can be found here:

Handloads for defense?

Hand Rolled Defense Loads

Alright once and for all, is it ok to reload self defense ammo?

Handloads as defense ammo

Special reloads or Quality factory SD ammo?

Court Case Evidence.

There are more, but between what Spats posted and the above, it pretty much covers the gamut of handloads/reloads for SD ammo.

Sarge · June 2, 2011, 04:16 PM

Here's an archive of news reports from the Morning Call on developments in Bias, as it progressed.

http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/mrs-bias/recent/3

**Frank Ettin** · June 2, 2011, 08:17 PM

And a link to Massad Ayoob's article on the Bias case: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n26806104/ .

**Spats McGee** · June 3, 2011, 09:17 AM

Thanks to all of you. I knew that I'd missed some stuff, and you've linked some valuable information here.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · June 3, 2011, 05:55 PM

Not reloads but the article I did for The Jury Expert on weapons appearance issues and trial:

http://www.thejuryexpert.com/wp-cont...olume21No5.pdf

Great effort, folks!

**Glenn E. Meyer** · June 4, 2011, 01:03 PM

I would like to add this piece on a real world example:

http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/...%20Booklet.pdf

The Hickey Case has many take away points:

1. The myth of the Good Shoot being obvious to all.
2. The use of appearance issues - in this case - the cliches of training being culled from training lit and used against Hickey.

Glenn

**Spats McGee** · December 27, 2011, 10:20 AM

I can no longer edit the OP, but here's another: Reloads for Personal Defense.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · December 27, 2011, 10:53 AM

Here's a good summary from THR

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=618021

**Spats McGee** · December 27, 2011, 11:13 AM

Just FYI, Glenn, I can't get to that thread without registering.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · December 27, 2011, 11:25 AM

You have to register to play in that forum. Some of our mods work there also and might explain the policy - basically to control the trolls, IIRC.

It's a good forum, BTW.

**Spats McGee** · December 27, 2011, 11:32 AM

I have no doubts about whether it's a good forum. Unfortunately, I do have doubts as to whether I need yet another place to spend time on the internet.

**Spats McGee** · February 3, 2012, 10:04 AM

One more popped up today: Implications of Handloaded ammo for Defense

**Al Norris** · February 3, 2012, 10:21 AM

This is now a "sticky" thread.

**Spats McGee** · February 3, 2012, 10:41 AM

Thanks, Al.

**Spats McGee** · May 3, 2012, 01:22 PM

While reading another thread, another poster referred me to a thread on The High Road regarding the use of reloads and self-defense. The thread is not only thorough on some of the legal aspects, but it also contains some fairly detailed information on the technical aspects of forensics testing: Why JHP?

**Spats McGee** · June 4, 2012, 04:26 PM

CCW with handloaded ammo...

May 28, 2011, 06:57 PM	#1
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	An Archive Regarding Reloads and Self-Defense Over the past year or so, I have seen the issue of using handloads or reloads for self-defense discussed, dissected, rehashed, and virtually beaten to death. It has come up so often that I finally just decided to create an archive for these threads. This is not intended to be another discussion thread. It is just intended to be a repository for links to past discussions, so that when someone comes in with questions about this, and they will, someone can just point them to this thread. They can just follow the links from there. I'll start out with the first few links. If anyone knows of good threads in which this issue is discussed, just post a link in this thread, and I'll update the OP accordingly. Concealed Carry Ammo - Factory Rounds or Your Reloads? Do you carry with your own reloads? Legality of using handloads defensively Legal problems with reloads Reloading Defensive Ammunition? Reloads for self defense self defense ammo __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman Last edited by Spats McGee; May 29, 2011 at 12:09 PM.

June 2, 2011, 04:16 PM	#3
Sarge Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: MO Posts: 4,349	Here's an archive of news reports from the Morning Call on developments in Bias, as it progressed. http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/mrs-bias/recent/3 __________________ Visit us at The Sixgun Journal or the archive, at http://sargesrollcall.blogspot.com/

June 3, 2011, 09:17 AM	#5
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	Thanks to all of you. I knew that I'd missed some stuff, and you've linked some valuable information here. __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

June 3, 2011, 05:55 PM	#6
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,136	Not reloads but the article I did for The Jury Expert on weapons appearance issues and trial: http://www.thejuryexpert.com/wp-cont...olume21No5.pdf Great effort, folks! __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

June 4, 2011, 01:03 PM	#7
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,136	I would like to add this piece on a real world example: http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/...%20Booklet.pdf The Hickey Case has many take away points: 1. The myth of the Good Shoot being obvious to all. 2. The use of appearance issues - in this case - the cliches of training being culled from training lit and used against Hickey. Glenn __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

June 2, 2011, 03:53 PM	#2
Al Norris Staff Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 8,741	Other related threads on this topic can be found here: Handloads for defense? Hand Rolled Defense Loads Alright once and for all, is it ok to reload self defense ammo? Handloads as defense ammo Special reloads or Quality factory SD ammo? Court Case Evidence. There are more, but between what Spats posted and the above, it pretty much covers the gamut of handloads/reloads for SD ammo.

June 2, 2011, 08:17 PM	#4
Frank Ettin Staff Join Date: November 23, 2005 Location: California - San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 4,963	And a link to Massad Ayoob's article on the Bias case: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n26806104/ .

December 27, 2011, 10:20 AM	#8
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	I can no longer edit the OP, but here's another: Reloads for Personal Defense. __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

December 27, 2011, 10:53 AM	#9
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,136	Here's a good summary from THR http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=618021 __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

December 27, 2011, 11:13 AM	#10
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	Just FYI, Glenn, I can't get to that thread without registering. __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

December 27, 2011, 11:25 AM	#11
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,136	You have to register to play in that forum. Some of our mods work there also and might explain the policy - basically to control the trolls, IIRC. It's a good forum, BTW. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

December 27, 2011, 11:32 AM	#12
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	I have no doubts about whether it's a good forum. Unfortunately, I do have doubts as to whether I need yet another place to spend time on the internet. __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

February 3, 2012, 10:04 AM	#13
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	One more popped up today: Implications of Handloaded ammo for Defense __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

February 3, 2012, 10:21 AM	#14
Al Norris Staff Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 8,741	This is now a "sticky" thread.

February 3, 2012, 10:41 AM	#15
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	Thanks, Al. __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

May 3, 2012, 01:22 PM	#16
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	While reading another thread, another poster referred me to a thread on The High Road regarding the use of reloads and self-defense. The thread is not only thorough on some of the legal aspects, but it also contains some fairly detailed information on the technical aspects of forensics testing: Why JHP? __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

June 4, 2012, 04:26 PM	#17
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	CCW with handloaded ammo... __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman